85Hp Force piston replacement

ocervantes

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I am in the process of replacing the top piston on my 85 HP force "L" drive engine. I removed the carburator ant the top reed valves to remove the piston but I am afraid I will drop the two 1/4" bolts and other parts. Is there an easy way to do this? Also, the piston I bought from "Sierra" does not come with the piston pin retainers on the ends Am I missing something?
 

baxtr

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Re: 85Hp Force piston replacement

you don't want to drop the bolts in and especially all the needle bearings that are on the crankshaft, I think its something like 16 of them or something, I don't know about sierra but, the wisecos come with circlips (little snap rings) that go in each end of the piston to retain the wrist pin. Looking at the sierra catalog, it shows that it comes with piston, rings, wrist pin, and the circlips. You would need the wrist pin bearings.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 85Hp Force piston replacement

The original wrist pin must be pressed out of the rod small end. There is a special tool for this which slides in between the wrist pin keeper and the rod. It provides clearance so that the needles don't bend or don't dent the keepers. This is not so critical during removal but during re-assembly, if the tool is not used (assuming the Sierra piston re-uses the original keepers) the needles will be jammed tight between the keepers and will not roll on the wrist pin but rather slide over it. If the Sierra piston does not have a circlip groove on each side of the wrist pin hole (just inside the surface of the piston), then you are meant to re-use the original keepers.

The original wrist pin is a press fit in the piston and in the keepers. Because of manufacturing tolerances, some are a close loose fit in the piston and some are and easy press fit. Some of the wrist pins are an easy press fit in the keepers and some are a tight fit. A 6 ton press is the minimum required to dis-assemble and re-assemble. I bought the special tool years ago when I first started to mess with these engines. Right now it is in a very safe place in my basement--So safe, that I can't find it to give you a number. But it was something like .028 on the removal end and .032 on the installation end.

Because of this, I recommend and use WISECO pistons which come with a new wrist pin, new rings, and circlips to hold in the wrist pins. You must buy a new small end bearing kit for another 15 bucks. They are just so much easier to assemble.

You won't drop the bolts on the big end of the rod, but you might drop some of the 16 rollers. Depending on the position of the engine, they will all be retrievable. There are just not that many places for them to go.

If the engine is vertical, the piston is horizontal and the rollers will fall onto the crank cheeks or under it. They can't go anywhere -too big to get into the bearing-- so you will be able to scoop them out with a bent piece of wire. If the engine is horizontal with the piston vertical, they will fall into the piston with the possibility of a few falling into the bypass passage. Once you take out the piston, these can be retrieved through the ports or remove the bypass cover. As long as you get 16 back, you have them all. DO NOT use a magnet to retrieve rollers. Hardened steel rollers are very easy to magnetize and they will then capture small normal wear particles leading to the eventual failure of the bearings.
 

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Re: 85Hp Force piston replacement

Thank you for the feedback and instructions! I removed the piston and retrived the needle rollers (16) of them. I removed the piston pin with a press and used the old needle bearing from the old one. I then installed the new piston rings using a $7 ring compressor. The hardest part was getting it alinged with the crankshaft I had to use a piece of wire to hold the piston rod centered But finally I was able to center it. I then installed the needle bearings and torque them to 14 Ft/Lbs. I will go ahead and install the head gasket and carburators and test compression before I get started. Does any one know the torque for the head gasket and the carburator bolts?
 

baxtr

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Re: 85Hp Force piston replacement

Don't know if the L-drive is the same, but I show 85 hp head torque to be 225 INCH LBS (not foot lbs!) When you torque the head bolts down, start at the center of the head and work in a circular spiral pattern outwards until you get them all, this will make sure it seats well.

don't see any specific spec for carb bolts, tighten them, but don't kill em. :)
 

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14 foot pounds on rod big end capscrews? Most 85 s have a spec of 180-190 inch pounds which works out close to 15-16 foot pounds. If you have an inch pound torque wrench, use it --less chance for error that way.
 

ocervantes

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Re: 85Hp Force piston replacement

Thanks for all the help guys. I put the head back on and I have a problem with three bolts on the top cylinder (Stripped). Do you think I can install a helig coil? I was not able to tighten these bolts to spec. :
 
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