89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

mookieo2

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I have another one for you guys. Thanks for all the help so far.

The answer will probably be rebuild the carbs but I just want to double check its not another issue to. The motor was sitting for a while. My other motor fried a piston it was an old '78 140. So I had the motor that came with my boat '89 120 johnson VRO. I changed the lower unit fluid new pwr pack because I didn't have spark on two cylinder, compression good all around 120 +/- 3 little low but all about the same. I took the carbs apart and they looked good. They are plastic carbs. I just sprayed cleaner through all the jets, bowls, etc and didn't see any varnish. I put them back. I plugged up the oil line because my other motor was pre-mix so I figured I would just burn out the rest of the gas in the tank then drain and clean the tank and hook up the VRO. I would rather not have the tank on my floor being only 20'. The motor starts right up and it seemed to run good, it would miss every once in a while on the muffs at 1100 rpms and drop to 600 for a second or two like it was loosing a cylinder. I bought new plugs it had QL77JC4's in there. West marine only had the NGK's ($9 each ugh), put them in and ran it on the muffs for a little bit. Checked the plugs and #1 and #4 were fouled. Cleaned them and decided to see what happens in the water. Tied to the dock it would idle fine I forgot to look but I know it was less than 900 rpm's when in gear it was about 600. The vro alarm kept going off i'm not sure if this was limiting my rpm's. When I tried to take it for a spin, it would not go past 1100 rpm's if I pushed it higher it would stall out. I tried a few times and brought it back home. Got it on the muffs and flushed the engine, did a compression check and it was the same as usual. Checked spark with an inline tester and bulb was bright on all, pulled plugs and three were fouled it was dry not too oily. plugs were black.

Also the thermostats were not in stock so I took out the spring and vernatherm and figured it would just take longer to warm up.( I tried to test them and dropped the vernatherm in hot oil while I was checking the temp switches. They never opened ) I hope that isn't the cause. I will rebuild the carbs on Wednesday if the kits are in stock and get new thermostats.
I hope this enough info Thanks again.
 

Haffiman

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

The NO Oil alarm probably went off as you forgot to disconnect the electrical plug from the VRO when plugging the oil and mixing the fuel. This will activate the SLOW and limit the rpm.
Do NOT use NGK if the have a 'R' (resistor) in the spec!!!
 

lexer440

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

I had issues with my motor, an evinrude 140vro not getting above 11/1200 rpm with fouled plugs like you say and took me a while to figure it out, new thermostats and plugs and it ran great. temperature is very important to them, if your motor has SLOW active and its not reaching temp or above 1100rpm then quickstart is active too and it just will not be happy.
 

boobie

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

The VRO on this mtr will not activate SLOW. Only an over heat will.
 

mookieo2

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

Update

Got new Vernatherm part for tstats, disconnected plug going to vro pump so alarm doesn't go off anymore.

Carb kits weren't in stock so I took each carb one by one and removed the jets, etc cleaned with carb cleaner, chased each hole/ jet with wire, blew out with compressed air. I put everything back together. I started it up on the muffs and let it idle. It sounded real smooth and would idle at 1100 rpm's. I left it in gear for a bit and unlike last time where It would drop down to 600 every once in a while it stayed smooth. I brought it to the dock and started it up. nice and smooth and quiet. I let it idle for a few minutes. It stayed steady. It was tied tight to the dock so I put it in gear and it also stayed nice and smooth. After about 10 minutes I took it away from the dock. I gave it a little throttle and it was running good still. Gave it more and it wouldn't rev passed 2500 rpm's. So I assume slow mode. I tried to turn around and head back to the dock then it died. I was only about 300ft away. It would now run rough and not idle . I let it sit for a few minutes. I got it to start and headed back. It died .After a bit of trying to get it to stay running I was able to get it by hitting the choke when it sounded like it was dying. I brought it home. Plugs were fouled, compression still the same, and spark still bright. Changed the plugs and it ran like before I left the house.

So I'm not sure what difference the carb kits will do maybe the gaskets didn't seal right, but they all looked in good shape. I didn't decarb the motor or change the water pump yet. The overheat buzzer never sounded and I know it works because I just tested the temp switches and the alarm works for the VRO.

I need to get this boat running this weekend. My father in law is coming back from his house in Europe just in time to get the last week of porgy fishing in. SO I need a boat ASAP. I'm not sure what else it could be.

Could it be a timing issue? It was stuck at exactly 2500 rpm's so I doubt it but you never know with these things.
 

BonairII

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

I don't think I've ever heard anything good about the NGK plugs. $9 bucks each :eek: That's criminal.
 

mookieo2

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

Found the timer base to not be moving properly. Took apart and cleaned everything, magnets on flywheel, stator, lubed timer base reinstalled everything. Started up. adjusted linkage. Took it for a spin down at the dock and bought a cheap timing gun from HF Boat idles fine and had power up to 2000 RPM's. I can get it to 2500 but it won't go past that. If I keep it at around 2500 it will eventually die on me. I don't think its the SLOW mode but is there away to disable it? I tried to adjust the idle with the timing gun like my manual says but the gun was a POS and the light wasn't bright enough.

I am not sure whats left to check adjust fix, etc.

carbs clean and rebuilt
compression 120 on all
good spark
timer base now moves.

When I adjust the linkage I can not get the throttle to open fully when I move the lever on the controls to all the way full. The mark is about 1/8 of an inch towards perpendicular to the carbs. If i move it myself I can get it to the needed WOT position.

I bought a new power pack when I first tried to get this thing going. Is it possible that it is not the correct one and causing these problems or putting it in SLOW mode unnecessarily?
 

Tim Frank

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

Check all your fuel lines for possible air leaks.
 

Haffiman

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

I'm going to replace them all and use clamps. I never liked using zip tiesa on the fuel lines.
Tie Straps works great, providing good quality and the correct tool to tighten them!
Bought some decades ago the 'original' rather expensive tool from OMC with adjustable tension, still works great!
 

fshrgy99

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

Have an 89 140 vro (disconnected) and could not get it to run over about 2500 rpm. Suspected s.l.o.w. was engaging but found that spark was breaking down under load. Cleaned all the coil contacts and grounds on the coils with emery paper and electrical cleaner and so far the motor is working well. After 22 years there was a patina of oxide on all the older parts and I am blaming that for the intermittant spark. Good Luck! BTW I believe disconnecting the tan wire from the starboard temp sensor will disable the s.l.o.w. if you have a bad temp sensor.
 

mookieo2

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

I will check the grounds and contacts again. When I first tried to get this motor running I wire wheeled the grounds and block on the coils. I should try it out at night. I had an old 60 HP that wouldn't rev passed 3000. We ran it at night and saw arcing to the flywheel.
 

fshrgy99

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Re: 89 120 wont go over 1100rpm's in water

Love the idea of running it in the dark. Once saw a volks rabbit run in the dark (the year they came out and the ground was catching fire under them) and there were sparks jumping to ground all over the place :)

These things are hard to diagnose because they idle well, esp on the muffs without exhaust back pressure and seem ok. But under load and at higher revs things don't work out so well. I assumed my problems were only related to fuel starvation but I'm pretty sure the good performance in my yard wasn't good at all, my problems were spark related as well as fuel.
 
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