90 hp 1998 force fuel pressure at idol

gazelle

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I have been having trouble running the boat for more than five minutes at idol without pumping the primer pump to add more pressure. I have no problem when under way just at idol speed. Suggestions?
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Re: 90 hp 1998 force fuel pressure at idol

I have been having trouble running the boat for more than five minutes at idol without pumping the primer pump to add more pressure. I have no problem when under way just at idol speed. Suggestions?
Thanks
Yes. First, run a compression test while the fuel pump rebuild kit you just ordered arrives. The fuel pump operates on vacuum which is the back side of compression. But the symptoms are fuel pump not pumping.
And ethynol-laced gas (which these motors were not designed to run on) eats the diaphram in a couple of seasons.
 

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Re: 90 hp 1998 force fuel pressure at idol

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Is this something that can wait till I pull the boat out of the water for the season or do I run the risk of damaging something? based on my limited knowledge of motors I would not think leaving it would not be a problem just an inconvenience.

Why would the fuel pump be working at higher RPM's but not at idol? I would think it is an all or nothing deal which makes me worry that it is compression because if compression is low I would think it would be the lowest at idol but gains some pressure when the engine is working harder hence no fuel pressure lost when underway.

With the fuel pump rebuild, about how big of a project is it? Is it something that can be don in a slip or do I need to pull it out of the water?


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Is this something that can wait till I pull the boat out of the water for the season or do I run the risk of damaging something? based on my limited knowledge of motors I would not think leaving it would not be a problem just an inconvenience.
No sir.. Take your time with it. The fuel pump is a very simple rebuild job.. Tools are a pair of pliers and a screwwdriver, some spray carb cleaner, and a rebuild kit. A shop manual will pay for itself, but most libraries have them avalaible for checkout or in-house study/photocopying.
The job should only take about an hour and that is taking your time.
The pump is straight forward, and you'll be fine by just paying attention to removing it, and reversing the process for assembly.




Why would the fuel pump be working at higher RPM's but not at idol? I would think it is an all or nothing deal which makes me worry that it is compression because if compression is low I would think it would be the lowest at idol but gains some pressure when the engine is working harder hence no fuel pressure lost when underway.
The fuel pump may be fine, or have cracks that look like aligator hide leaking minute amounts of air, causing it to operate, but operate poorly as to starve the carbs at idle.
Or the motor might not be providing adequate compression to operate it.

OR:
It could be a partially blocked pickup tube in the carb.
It could be a leaking float needle (but you would see gas comming out of it when you pumped the bulb).
It could be that the vent on the gas tank was not venting, (but the bulb would collapse).
I was just trying to give you the most probable causes.. Note that compression loss could be caused by any number of problems, from rings to cracked block and eveything in between. But that was why I suggested testing compression first.
With the fuel pump rebuild, about how big of a project is it? Is it something that can be don in a slip or do I need to pull it out of the water?
It can be done on the water, but you'll run the very big possibility of droppping screws, tools or diaphram over. I would wait until it is pulled out.
The kit comes with check valves too, but my experiance with this pump is that the check valves seldom fail, and are a pain to change sometimes. They have neoprene gates in them anyhow, so they are not effected by todays blended fuels. Just make sure they are clean (nothing hanging them open). They should allow air to pass only in one direction when operating right.
The biggie is that rubber diaphram.
 

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Re: 90 hp 1998 force fuel pressure at idol

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Thanks again for all the info. One thing that I am not clear on. Is it something that has to be fixed ASAP because I could be damaging something or can it wait?

You stated "No Sir", and I am not sure if you mean it does not have to come out now or if you meant it can wait.

Can i run it until the kit and compression guage come in or should I no longer run it until fixed.

Thanks a gain you are a great resource!
 

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Re: 90 hp 1998 force fuel pressure at idol

By "no sir", I meant that it'll be ok to let it sit there until you pulled it out.

Well, in all honesty, Gazelle, I wouldn't venture too far from port with it. If it's a bad head gasket or fuel pump, it may just quit altogether, stranding you.
Also, if it is indeed a poor fuel delivery problem due to low compression or "holy fuel pump syndrome", it would be running very lean. Because the motor receives all of it's lubrication from the oil mixed in that fuel, it might not be getting adequate lube. If it seems to run great at cruising speed, I would be less concerned about inadequate lube/fuel, but still concerned somewhat.... I'd be more worried about it failing without a trolling motor to get me home.
 
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