90hp force 1990 sluggish???

PERIKO

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how to decarbonise,what to use,what grade gas should i use 87,89,91 ?and why
 

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Re: 90hp force 1990 sluggish???

hi my 90hp is sluggish also and i just rebuilt it I don't under stand it i put in new pistons and gaskets.and plugs and still it runs like a junk it has a hard time getting 2 of use up on plane high rpms are 4200 prop is 19:':)|
 

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Re: 90hp force 1990 sluggish???

Back to the basics.
Compression
Spark
Fuel delivery.
 

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thanks for your time but i all ready did all of that and every thing was fine. the only thing i have is that the time is good at low idle and not even close at high i tried to adjust it on the lake but it didn't matter i couldn't get the high rpm's right but it isn't missing or anything like that it just don't seem to have the power to get up.18'maxum 90hp force 1990
 

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Re: 90hp force 1990 sluggish???

redrooster said:
thanks for your time but i all ready did all of that and every thing was fine. the only thing i have is that the time is good at low idle and not even close at high i tried to adjust it on the lake but it didn't matter i couldn't get the high rpm's right but it isn't missing or anything like that it just don't seem to have the power to get up.18'maxum 90hp force 1990
 

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Re: 90hp force 1990 sluggish???

i decarbonise my carbs and i have a 13x19 prop and it is 5300rpm
 

Frank Acampora

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OK! How far off is the timing at wot? it should be 30 deg advanced (before top dead center). If not come back and i'll give detailed instructions to synchronize carbs and reset timing. Timing at idle should be 0 degrees
 

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i checked the timing last fall at idle it was at 0 at high rpm's i couldn't find the mark we were on the lake and i was not able to see it with the light but at 3/4 th it looked to be about 30to45deg at high we couldn't even see find the marks they advanced so much
 

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Ok! First, you have a black flywheel so put a small amount of white paint on the marks to make them more visible.
Next, while stopped, set the engine in neutral. Move the low speed stop screw to about the middle of its length. This is the screw on the bottom of the tower that bears against the block when at idle. Do not re-lock the nut yet
Check the throttle advance cam. If it has two closely spaced marks, the throttle roller should be between them. If it has one line on it, the throttle roller should be on the line. If it is not, disconnect the link connecting it to the tower and adjust the length of the link so the roller is on the line. The throttle roller is on an eccentric screw. Loosen the nut slightly and turn the roller to the point where it just touches the cam. Re-tighten the nut.
Remove the air box from the carbs. Push the throttle to full open and while holding open the chokes, look into the carbs. See if the butterflies are equally open and horizontal. see below. A very slight bit off horiz. will not matter but they should be substantially level. If not, you must re-adjust the carb link to make them level. Now come back into neutral. If you have re-adjusted the carb link, then you must adjust the stop screw until the cam is lined up correctly with the roller. Lightly lock the idle stop screw.
Next, using a water muff, start the engine, warm it up and bring back to neutral. Check timing. If it is not 0 deg plus or minus 2, turn off the engine and reset the screw up close to the flywheel. ---Do this with the engine running and you are a candidate for the 9 finger club!----
Now take it to the water. With the engine warmed up and in forward gear, the rpm should be about 700. If not, adjust the idle stop screw. With someone to help you, take the boat out and check timing at WOT. It should be 30 deg. If not, adjust it then go back down and adjust the idle stop screw. These engines used to be timed at 32 but in the 80s for a variety of reasons, Chrysler decided to reduce timing to 30. 32 won't hurt but anything more makes the engine lose power and become a candidate for melted pistons.
If you have done steps correctly, the screw up by the flywheel should be somewhere between 1/2 and 3/8 inch between the two plastic ends. The black plastic end on the trigger lever (aluminum lever under the flywheel ) should be in the outer hole if the trigger lever has two holes and it and the adjusting screw should be on the control side of the engine.
Top cylinder is #1 and timing is taken off it. If the carbs are not opening equally, remove the cam link from the tower, move the cam out of the way, and adjust the carb link bar with the carbs all shut. this will equalize them. re-attach the cam link.
Do not attempt to diconnnect the cam link at the cam; you run the risk of bending the cam.

Carbs should be initally set with the low speed needles at 1 1/4 turns open from lightly seated. with the engine warmed up and at idle, turn each needle in 1/8 turn at a time and let the engine respond. RPM will increas with each adjustment then drop off. Note this point. Now adjust the opposite way. The engine will break up and attempt to die rich. note this point. Set all three needles midway between the two points. However, under no circumstances go leaner than 3/4 turn out. Go out on the water and quickly open the throttle fully. If the engine goes lean and almost dies then recovers and accelerates, it is too lean. open the needles 1/8 turn at a time until smooth acceleration it acheived. If the engine stumbles and bumbles then clears itself and picks up it is too rich. adjust low speed needles. Again DO NOT SET LEANER THAN 3/4TURN. To do so invites melted pistons. Explanation: The low speed circuit on these carbs is always drawing fuel because it is always exposed to manifold vacuum. The high speed jet ie sized to compensate for this at WOT. so if you set the low speed needles too lean, at WOT the engine will have detonation. It happens very quickly and by the time you hear it, it is too late.
 

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Re: 90hp force 1990 sluggish???

it well be a few days before i can try this u told me a few things that i didn't try yet i think u are on to something here thanks alot i'll be in touch 8)
 

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i hope someone can help my buddy had this person look at my boat motor and they took a few wires off the rectifier and didn't label them now they don't know where they go for sure and the book shows the wires but it doesn't tell u where they go i have 2 yellows,1 red,1 grey,and a black 2 ac spots 1 + spot 1 - spot does any body know where they go help!!! :'(
 

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Frank said:
Ok! First, you have a black flywheel so put a small amount of white paint on the marks to make them more visible.
Next, while stopped, set the engine in neutral. Move the low speed stop screw to about the middle of its length. This is the screw on the bottom of the tower that bears against the block when at idle. Do not re-lock the nut yet
Check the throttle advance cam. If it has two closely spaced marks, the throttle roller should be between them. If it has one line on it, the throttle roller should be on the line. If it is not, disconnect the link connecting it to the tower and adjust the length of the link so the roller is on the line. The throttle roller is on an eccentric screw. Loosen the nut slightly and turn the roller to the point where it just touches the cam. Re-tighten the nut.
Remove the air box from the carbs. Push the throttle to full open and while holding open the chokes, look into the carbs. See if the butterflies are equally open and horizontal. see below. A very slight bit off horiz. will not matter but they should be substantially level. If not, you must re-adjust the carb link to make them level. Now come back into neutral. If you have re-adjusted the carb link, then you must adjust the stop screw until the cam is lined up correctly with the roller. Lightly lock the idle stop screw.
Next, using a water muff, start the engine, warm it up and bring back to neutral. Check timing. If it is not 0 deg plus or minus 2, turn off the engine and reset the screw up close to the flywheel. ---Do this with the engine running and you are a candidate for the 9 finger club!----
Now take it to the water. With the engine warmed up and in forward gear, the rpm should be about 700. If not, adjust the idle stop screw. With someone to help you, take the boat out and check timing at WOT. It should be 30 deg. If not, adjust it then go back down and adjust the idle stop screw. These engines used to be timed at 32 but in the 80s for a variety of reasons, Chrysler decided to reduce timing to 30. 32 won't hurt but anything more makes the engine lose power and become a candidate for melted pistons.
If you have done steps correctly, the screw up by the flywheel should be somewhere between 1/2 and 3/8 inch between the two plastic ends. The black plastic end on the trigger lever (aluminum lever under the flywheel ) should be in the outer hole if the trigger lever has two holes and it and the adjusting screw should be on the control side of the engine.
Top cylinder is #1 and timing is taken off it. If the carbs are not opening equally, remove the cam link from the tower, move the cam out of the way, and adjust the carb link bar with the carbs all shut. this will equalize them. re-attach the cam link.
Do not attempt to diconnnect the cam link at the cam; you run the risk of bending the cam.

Carbs should be initally set with the low speed needles at 1 1/4 turns open from lightly seated. with the engine warmed up and at idle, turn each needle in 1/8 turn at a time and let the engine respond. RPM will increas with each adjustment then drop off. Note this point. Now adjust the opposite way. The engine will break up and attempt to die rich. note this point. Set all three needles midway between the two points. However, under no circumstances go leaner than 3/4 turn out. Go out on the water and quickly open the throttle fully. If the engine goes lean and almost dies then recovers and accelerates, it is too lean. open the needles 1/8 turn at a time until smooth acceleration it acheived. If the engine stumbles and bumbles then clears itself and picks up it is too rich. adjust low speed needles. Again DO NOT SET LEANER THAN 3/4TURN. To do so invites melted pistons. Explanation: The low speed circuit on these carbs is always drawing fuel because it is always exposed to manifold vacuum. The high speed jet ie sized to compensate for this at WOT. so if you set the low speed needles too lean, at WOT the engine will have detonation. It happens very quickly and by the time you hear it, it is too late.

my carbs only have 1 screw on each of them no high or low jets
 

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OK! Two yellow go 1 each to A/C terminals. These are the A/C source off the stator. Grey is tach and also goes to 1 a/c terminal. Red goes to plus terminal and black goes to minus terminal. these engines are negative ground.

The single screw is the low speed "jet". The high speed jet is in the bowl and is fixed--no adjustment possible except by changing the jet.
 

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The single brass screw sometimes on the top front of the carb and sometimes on the top rear at an angle (dependig on engine and carb model) is the low speed mixture adjusting screw. Not really a Jet.
 

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hi hey thanks for the know how with my wires i did what u said with the the adjustments on the carbs and the cam and linkage but every time we adjust the linkage on carbs it throws the cam back off so we did the best we could the mark isn,t pointing to the middle of the the plastic roller it is pointing down to the bottom of the roller didn't get to do the time yet hope to this weekend. the air fuel mixture needle on the carb is on the front top of my carbs thanks for your help may all your fish be big fish
 

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Forgot to mention that when finished, the cam mark may be off a little. This is because you adjust the idle with the stop screw. As long as the timing is correct and the idle is at 700 you should be OK
 

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When you check the timing, the mark may comr closer because if you advance it a little, the engine will speed up at idle and you will re-adjust the stop screw to lower the RPM.
 

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hey frank thanks for all your help but i had all i could take and took it to the boat doctor I took it to the guy last week he said when you start the motor it runs on all 3 cyl. When you put it in gear and give it some gas it is only running on 1cyl. the other 2 are getting 2 much gas sure hope he calls this week and lets me know i'm ready to go fishing i can't take it any more
 
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