A few questions if you please?

gilliac

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Hi guys,

New to the forum and there seems to be a guys willing to share and help. So let me tell you a long tale and then ask for some advice.

Back in 1996 I bought a year old Chaparral 2335 with a carb'ed 454 and a Bravo I drive. I loved the boat, used it to fish (yeah it's messy to clean up!) camp with my son (ten at the time) and pulled a tube with it. It looked good and ran good. In the fall of 2006 I put the boat to bed for the winter on the trailer next to the house. Filled it with fogging oil and antifreeze, then ran a 120 volt extension cord to put a heat lamp on the engine and an electric fan in the cabin. Then I snugged a new tarp on over it. At least once a week I would check the tarp and listen to the hull to hear the fan running. What could go wrong, huh? Come spring of 2007, I removed the tarp to find that an oak limb about two inches in diameter had speared down into the top of the tarp, let in five months of Louisiana rain onto the deck and rotted away most of the floor. :(

God, I wanted to set and squall like a five year old. How did the world do such a terrible thing to me? So I spent the summer (one Saturday at a time) doing a really bad job of replacing the floor and learning just how poorly my dream boat was built. Untreated plywood, staples (rusty staples!), very little resin and no glass on underside of deck or on stringers. I still love Chaparral's styling and how they drive but, old as I am, you can't run fast enough to give me one.

So fast forward to now. I still have the 2335, the deck is again rotted out again plus the upholstry is shot and the just about everything in the boat is worn out. The 454 is still strong, good compression and no oil usage and the BI is in fair condition. An old Navy buddy has given me an old Formula (78?) Cuddy Cabin that is in good shape except for the old Ford/Alpha drive. So my first project is to take all the good mechanicals from the 2335, add an old B3 lower unit I have, and the (few, cheap) necessary new parts, to build something from the Formula that I feel OK about using in the Gulf (not too far out)

BUT THEN.......

I will have the shell of the 2335 laying about. I love the way the old boat looks (looked) and the way it runs and rides. So I am considering gutting it an doing the floor and stringers right, then getting an 8.1/B3 drive train, then redoing all the seats. At the end, this means I will have about $30,000 and 1000 hours of labor in a boat worth maybe $9K. Does anybody here really think this is a good plan?

Really, about what would be involved in time and materials ($) to replace the stringers and cabin deck in a 24 ft boat? Would I need to seperate the deck/hull and redo this joint? I have access to a forklift at the shop, so pulling the deck is possible but could I ever get it back together/
Comments on either this project or my sanity are welcomed.

Gil
 

JDA1975

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Re: A few questions if you please?

you're at the right place for the answers, I am not one that can give you the technical side of things, yet...but I have learned more from the friendly folks here in a couple months than I could have going into it alone. The question I can help with though is the money question...is it worth it? sounds like you have a fond attachment to this boat, and want to keep it alive, will you make money redoing it, probably not, but you will have a boat you love, restored by your own hands, that if done right and taken care of, will still be used by your kids' kids. that part is purely a decision that only you can make though. I find the work and satisfaction of seeing my boat come alive to be therapeutic, and perhaps you will as well. Whatever your decision, you will find the guidance here to get the job done, and done right!
 

tpenfield

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Re: A few questions if you please?

It would be a labor of love to re-do the Chappy.

So, do what your heart tells you as long as the wallet can follow suit.
 

Bamaman1

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Re: A few questions if you please?

Marine salvage yards are just full of old inboard outboard hulls, unfortunately. Maybe it's time to put the good 454 engine and running gear on EBay, take the proceeds and buy something newer and less frustrating. Fiberglass repairs are time consuming and expensive.

But, old straight inboard boats are all over this lake. A guy down the road has a original 1953 Chris Craft 17' runabout with the original Gray Marine (Chrysler) flathead engine. Old inboards never die if kept out of the weather.

I'm a capable amateur mechanic, but my one week jobs draw out to 6 month projects. With two boats, two PWC's, two ATV's, my grandson's dirt bike and a Jaguar convertible, I just don't need anymore fix it jobs.
 

Numlaar

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Re: A few questions if you please?

you're at the right place for the answers, I am not one that can give you the technical side of things, yet...but I have learned more from the friendly folks here in a couple months than I could have going into it alone. The question I can help with though is the money question...is it worth it? sounds like you have a fond attachment to this boat, and want to keep it alive, will you make money redoing it, probably not, but you will have a boat you love, restored by your own hands, that if done right and taken care of, will still be used by your kids' kids. that part is purely a decision that only you can make though. I find the work and satisfaction of seeing my boat come alive to be therapeutic, and perhaps you will as well. Whatever your decision, you will find the guidance here to get the job done, and done right!

+1 to that!

If I had to guess you would be looking at around 4-5k to do the job right (as far as the resto goes - deck, stringers, transom, seats, etc.) You can pick up a reman eng/drive setup from mercruiser for 15k, so I dont think you would have 30k into it, but at least 20k for sure

Yes to do the job right, you would need to seperate the cap from the hull, you would need to make sure you support the hull to retain its shape so you can fit the cap back on.

None of it is overly difficult, but it will be messy, and time consuming.

I would read Oops! hull extension thread, as well as FRiscoboaters for ideas on how to do the overall process, and whats involved, this may help you make your decision!

So if you like the boat, are willing to spend the money, and do the job right, you will have a nice boat for years to come!
 

Friscoboater

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Re: A few questions if you please?

Please take a look at my thread. I gutted the boat down to the hull with the cap left on (mine is not a cuddy) and replaced everything. It is for sure a labor of love, and you really have to have alot a patience to do it right. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to quit, but now I have a kick butt boat.

Can you post some pictures?
 

oops!

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Re: A few questions if you please?

Hi.....

Welcome to iboats.

I really dont think you could spend 30 k on a re fit unless you added a bunch of stuff and got ripped off doing it..

personally i would re build the chap......and just look for a new motor and drive for the formula......there is no point in giving an old boat (78) a new motor and drive when you have an exellent candidate just sitting there.. a motor and drive swap is simple....so the formula will be fast and easy....

the more valuable chapperall....will get its bravo package.....and have a new deck...

btw....the cost of the deck and re fit......will at most be 2500. the motor rebuild ......2k. and the upholstery is up to you to find the deals....but we wont be able to tell unless we see pics of the interior.
 

gilliac

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Re: A few questions if you please?

Hope this isn't a double post - I think I lost my first attempt.

I wanted to say think you to all the people who replied to me. Friscoboater, that is one fine job you did but I am intimidated by the amount of work!

Going next weekend and see what shape the Formula is in. It has a hole in the pan from saltwater in the bilge and in 1982 I helped him pull the engine and repalce the pan. I left for a job in Saudi Arabia before the engine was reinstalled and found out last year he never finished the install. (His son dies and he lost interest) If the hull is sound, the next question is will the 454 fit? If not I will try to get the old 351 to run and see if the drive can be saved.

The 454 and B3 from the Chap is from 1995 and has seen a lot of salt and brackish water. IF I actually do something like you guys have done and finish the Chap nicely, I will want a better power train. FWC 8.1?

So the plan is to repower the Formula (if the hull is bad I won't do two rebuilds, the 351 and trailer go to craigslist and tha chainsaw and city dump get the Formula!) and use it this summer. Want to be ready for April.

Then I start gutting the Chao. I will post some pictures later, don't want you to see my current repairs! They ain't pretty.


Questions:
The Chap's trailer is a heavy galvanized steel unit with two bunks made from 2 by 10 set on edge. If I block this trailer up solidly. is this a sufficient cradle to hold the hull while I gut it?

If the cuddy floor is sound, can I forgo removing the hull cap? I can gut the cuddy upholstry and then replace the hull/cap rivets with SS screws and the interior of the rear is just bolted in, not structural. Would really like to avoid removing the cap/foredeck. I will post some pictures and ask for your opinions. To be honest, if the cap needs to come off someone will get a free Chaparral hull!

Thanks again and I look forward to learning from you guys. I will post pictures of the old Formula next week.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Gil
 
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