A good place to find used outboard?

Krs1

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Hello everyone I Anm new to this forum and Larsen me if I posted in the wrong section. I am looking for a decent used short shaft for my 12 deep v gregor aluminum. Also what should I be looking for in a motor as a first time buyer pretty much clueless. Thanks for all the imput
 

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

Welcome Krs1 (good name. BDP!) Anyway, you ask a good question. I suppose it depends on what you want out of the motor, what you can afford, and if you're willing/able to work on the motor at all yourself.
I can olny make rccomendations based on personal experience, but I love 2-stroke, OMC (Johnson/Evinrude/Gale) motors from the 50's-70's b/c they're abundant, relatively cheap (although nothing is ever really "cheap" when it comes to boats: BOAT =Break Out Another Thousand :) ), easy and fun to work on and there are still tons of parts readily available. Other folks love Mercury motors, but be warned, they often require special, one use tools, and have some odd design quirks such as screws that tighten by turning left and other wierd things like that :/ I know they look cool, but they can be more work to fix than the old OMC motors, which require virtually no special tools or gizmos.
For a 12 ft boat I wouldn't go much over 25 hp, but I'm kind of a wuss. A good 25 hp should get a 12 ft boat on plane even with a buddy and junk in the boat. You can probably find a decent 25 hp motor in your local paper, garage sales, craigslist, or elsewhere. You might expect to pay $500-$700 for a motor described above, but if you're willing to do a little work yourself, you might be able to find a similar motor for much less.
Regardless, if/when you get a motor resign yourself to giving it a good tune up when you get it. This includes points, coils, carb kit and waterpump (impeller). These are "consumeable" parts of the motor and can and should be replaced as needed. All of the bits for the tune up kit would be approx $150-$200, but it's money well spent and installing them yourself will teach you tons about your motor and demistify things a bit.
Good luck. Keep us posted.
 

1fishbone

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

I would look at boat/motor dealers.
They take trade-ins and 'usually' dump junk motors and keep good ones to re-sell.

You can also get a warranty!

Sure you'll spend a little more than from someone selling off craigs list but piece of mind costs more!

A used motor running on a 'hose' can be deceiving, a test drive under load (on your boat) is a better indication how good it runs!
Dealers have tanks to test their motors.

As for a make, I prefer Johnson, I've had good luck with them.
I've had Mercs, older ones, maybe the new ones are better. I see a lot of them on boats.
As for Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, they are little more expensive and never owned one.
 

Krs1

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

Every little bit of info helps! I def want to find something like 20-25 hp for sure. What are the key questions to ask when looking at a used motor from a private owner? I am in Cali is this just an east coast forum?
 

kfa4303

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Not east coast only. Posts here from all over the world. First, check all of the posts here at iboats in the Top Secret Files about buying and reviving an outboard.

First things first: Caveat Emptor (Let the buyer beware!)

Second things second: B.O.A.T. = Break Out Another Thousand


That being said, if the motor already runs, ask to see it run in person BEFORE you buy it. At the very least, see it run in a tank, or on muffs. It should at least start in under ten pulls and idle smoothly and shift into and out of gear easily and pumps water out of the tell tale and/or exhaust. HOWEVER, motors can behave very differently on a boat and under load, so bear that in mind. If you can see the motor running on a boat that would be ideal, but probably not likely.

If you're willing to look at some motors that may need a bit of work (a.k.a. the "it ran a couple years ago before I put it away in the garage") then the 3 main things you want to look for in any motor are:
1.) Compression 2.) Spark 3.) Fuel


If you have a compression gauge, use it. Ideally the pistons will be within 10% of eachother once the motor is warmmed up. But, if you're like me, you don't have a gauge you can get a VERY ROUGH idea of the basic state of the motors's compression when you pull the starter cord on the engine. If you feel a strong, but smooth "lub dub" action, then it's probably ok (again, only speaking very generally).
To check the spark, get an in-line, gap style, spark plug tester from an auto parts store. Well worth the investment at $7-8. If you can get a spark to jump a 7/16, then the spark is also probably ok. You can ground the spark plugs on the engine block and pull the starter too. You should see and hear a nice, "snapping", blue spark when you pull the starter cord. HOWEVER, this is not really a very good way to test for good spark, but if you're in a pinch it can be done. If you don't get a spark, it may be a simple fix to just replace the points and/or coils. Both of which are cheap easy fixes and worth doing if the motor is otherwise sound.
As for fuel, look for any obvious leaks on the motor. Pump up the bulb and let it sit for a bit and/or run the motor. The bulb should stay firm. If it gets soft, then you may have a fuel pump issue. Not a super big deal really. They're about $50 and pretty easy to replace for the most part. Also, resign yourself to cleaning and rebuilding the carb. Again, not a big deal and to be expected. Carb kits are approx. $20 and you can do it all yourself.
You can check the Lower Unit by looking at the gear oil by unscrewing the drain plug a bit. If water comes out, and/or the oil comes out cloudy or milky, then it may have a leak. This can often be fixed by getting a Lower Unit seal kit for about $20.
More than anything, take your time. It's easy to get outboard fever and buy the first motor you see. There are go-zillions of 25 hp in the world, so no need to get the first one you see. Resign yourself to putting a little TLC and $$$ into any motor. $100-$200 on top of what you pay for the motor to get it in tip top shape, is not unhead of. These outboards have parts that can and do ware out over time, such as the carb kit, waterpump(impller), points, spark plugs, or coils so don't be alarmed if you have to replace a few of them. Happy hunting! Keep us posted. Pics are nice :)
 

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

Ok awsome!!! So much info that is pointing me in the right direction. One more question, I don't have a lot of cash so I'm going to buy an older used motor. About how much should I expect to throw down for a running motor from the 80's? Once again thanks for all the info!!!
 

bitterboater

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

Depending on horse power, you might expect to pay around 300-500 dollars. A dealership in my area is selling two year old 9 horse Merc's for under 1000.00. That may not be realistic in your area. IMO, a smaller motor (9 to 12) will push along a 12ft boat as well as a 25, and a newer one can be had for just a little more money, still under 1000.

Also keep in mind that a 25 horse motor is going to weigh in at close to 125 lbs. plus you and gas in the back of the boat. That may well top 300lbs. Small motors are going to weigh less, can get by with smaller fuel tanks, and are going to propel you just as efficiently as that bigger heavier 25 will. I currently have a 4 horse Johnson on my 16ft Alumacraft. Now my boat is a '67 and weighs about as much as your 12 does, and it moves it at a decent rate, I don't win any races in it. But I get where I'm going.
 

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

ok im getting the just of it now. im going to do mainly bay fishing with the occasional close offshore runs when the surf is small so i need somthing reliable that will get me where i want to go in a timely fashion. all the info really helps,any other good tips you could throw at me.
 

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

ok im getting the just of it now. im going to do mainly bay fishing with the occasional close offshore runs when the surf is small so i need somthing reliable that will get me where i want to go in a timely fashion. all the info really helps,any other good tips you could throw at me.

what is a "12 deep v gregor aluminum."

Is that a 12 foot tinny? ... in the ocean?:eek:

An old 18hp johnson will work, $500.
Craigslist, do a test run and check the gear oil etc.
Anything from the early 1960's and up.
 

kfa4303

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

I agree any 10-20 hp OMC (Johnson/Evinrude/Gale) from the late early 60's to early 80's should work fine. They're abundant, cheap, have lots of readily available, interchangeable parts and you can fix them yourself without any special tools. I have two '60's Johnsons and the run great and look way cooler than anything they make now days, and best of all, I've brought them both back to life, all by myself, thanks to the folks and parts here at iboats. Happy hunting. Keep us posted.
 

Krs1

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

It's 12' and has a deep v I know crazy right. I guess it's a west coast thing. Any cheap tricks to make the boat better?
 

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Tricks, yes. Cheap, no :) Mostly it's all about weight distribution. Try not to have all your seight in the back with the motor and try to keep and weight low in the boat. You'll have to do trial and error to find the best set up.
 

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

HINT:

Scroll to the top of this page.
See the band of blue buttons (Boat Parts & Accessories, Boat Covers, Boat Propellers. etc.)????
See the button titled BOAT MOTORS?? Click it.
iBoats sponsors this forum. Why not buy your engine parts, boat parts, boat accessories, and yes, even your motor right here.
 

Sixmark

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

I'm going to guess that he doesn't want to spend $2,000 on a motor.

While trying to endorse Iboats is a nice thing to do, it's not always the most prudent thing to do in all situations, I am sure that they must understand this.

If I had the choice between buying a 2009/20010 motor on here or getting one a few years older for far less then I would save some serious money, if I am to be shunned for this or even banned from the forum then so be it.

There is a difference between helping the forum and Iboats and committing financial suicide.
 

tx1961whaler

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Re: A good place to find used outboard?

I'm going to guess that he doesn't want to spend $2,000 on a motor.

While trying to endorse Iboats is a nice thing to do, it's not always the most prudent thing to do in all situations, I am sure that they must understand this.

If I had the choice between buying a 2009/20010 motor on here or getting one a few years older for far less then I would save some serious money, if I am to be shunned for this or even banned from the forum then so be it.

There is a difference between helping the forum and Iboats and committing financial suicide.

Yes, I made my pilgrimage yesterday to Bass Pro and looked at new retail motors. I come home and kiss the old JohnnyRudes after that every time. :eek:
 
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