Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

2stroke1971

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Ive got an AQ125B. No idea on the hours,but the boat is 26 years old. I bought it last winter and did a valve job on the head, timing belt, water pump etc. Got it running really nice, compression on all cylinders was 140 to 150.

Its always had alot of blowby though. I finally pulled the hose out of the air cleaner because the plugs were fouling. No fouling since I did that though. Im not losing alot of oil, every 4 hours or so I top it up, barely half a quart. I change it more regularly because I know that gas fumes in the case can thin the oil over time.

Our normal trip includes about 500 pounds of humans.(Its a 19.5 foot bayliner cuddy by the way)

With this load, it has no problem getting up on plane and it will top out at around 34 mph. I almost never do that, I cruise at about 20-25. There have been times where we maxed out the load for sure, in fact it may have been a tad overloaded, having more people on than normal. In such cases, performance suffered dramatically. Of course thats normal, but this was really bad, like top speed was only 10 or 12. After quarter throttle, more throttle produced no results.

Im thinking thats a symptom consistent with the blowby, and Im sure a re-ring is needed. Ive been wrestling about what to do. Im not sure we will keep it past next season anyway but I feel kind of crappy running it this condition. I have the know how to do a rebuild, but not the resources. I have no way to lift the motor out, I store the boat out on the main road on the tow vehicle. (Difficult living in a row house and boating!) I cant afford to have someone else do it, it would cost more than 3 or 4 times what i paid for the boat! Today, I pulled a lower panel from the rear bench and crawled under there. I THINK I could drop the oil pan with the motor in situ, but I just dont think I could re ring it from the bottom. It would be very hard, and if a rod bearing was not seated right I would not see it even if I could reach the caps to torque them down.

Someone recommended I put straight 40 weight in the crankcase to reduce blowby. I know in my heart that the thing will purr all year long if I do nothing to it, and performance is nice with our normal load. We dont do any long distance or off shore stuff, its just a fishing boat to us.

Any comments one way or the other would be appreciated. How much of an idiot am I if whip it through another season?
 

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

I've heard others say that the older overhead cam Volvo engines are very expensive to rebuild since the're no longer built. Since you've allready rebuilt the head, it MAY be cost effective to get an automotive engine from a junk yard. Then swap the head and other automotive components. I wouldn't recommend trying to do this with the engine in the boat. You can have a wrecker or a boat repair yard pull the engine after you've gotten it ready. Only takes a few minutes to lift it out. If you have a friends garage or a rental unit, you can do the engine work there. Plenty of help here if you want to go that route.

You can allways run the existing engine till it craps out. Having an older boat is allways a balance between cost and use. As Bubba was pointing out, no oil is going to replace metal so be prepared to pick your poison!
 

2stroke1971

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

Well Im gonna do it!
Enough hedging. I have scoured the internet and I have assembled a rebuild kit for my motor on the cheap. Ive got rings, rod bearings, main bearings, seals, gaskets, etc.
Ive got it torn down to the short block in the boat...I am going to get a lift, and I figure even if it does not clear the boat, all Ive got to do is get it three feet up, and I will be able to get to everything. Honestly, I think I can clear the boat though.

I did ALOT of research on my engine. My AQ125 is the same as a B21 as far as the crank, pistons, rods, etc. go. Nothing different in the short block. Basically I figured out what model and year car I needed to look for but auto parts stores were not able to help with my parts. I found everything I needed on Ebay, including some original penta parts.

I race vintage motorcycles, so I am used to being creative, and having to hunt for parts. Im gonna go all out.

Ive also got a new set of timing gears and tensioner..(mine were all pitted up and wore the timing belt quickly.)
:D
 

captmello

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

Post some pics as you go!!!:)

According to the Seloc manual (Not 100% correct), the AQ125B used the 2.3 ltr block b230.

They may be interchangeable, but I'm not sure about the heads...

Maybe you've already addressed this.:rolleyes: Good Luck!!!

Edit, OEM manual also says 2.3 for the 125B. FYI, the 145 and 131 also used the 2.3.
 

2stroke1971

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

Well, I ran into my first snafu using automotive parts. The set of rings I got were alright except for the top ring. It was too thick to fit into the top piston groove. The difference was only about 11 thousandths.
What to do? Heh heh. I have access to a machine shop where I work, so I took them in the used a calibrated surface grinder to take them down. I did it in two passes, and finished them with a decking board.
I can just hear some of you cringing! LOL! But, Im happy with the results. Having said that, I can warn people now that automotive rings for the AQ125/B21 interchange is not a good idea!
 

2stroke1971

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

Its coming together nicely. The motor looked GREAT inside. No sludge. The bearings were all pretty nice as they were, but of course I replaced them all. I used some Kolbenshmidts for the mains, and some clevites for the rods. Clearances were all NICE. I mean right on the low end of the range. Seals were all Beck Arnley units.

There were a few suprises....
The oil pan was rotted on one side in the clamping area. I got the parts interchange for the autos, and there was about a 10 year range that showed as a "fit" for the B21/AQ125. This didnt help because I couldnt find an old enough VOlvo at the junk yard. I DID find an '86 Volvo 242 DL wagon and pulled the pan from that. It was the same except for the windage plate in the sump area was a bit different. The auto units plate covered a bit more area... I cut it to match the marine plate. Better oil return on the marine unit I would imagine.
(I live near a pull it yourself yard, and to be honest it took me about 3 hours to pull that oil pan- I had to unbolt the motor mounts, and jack the motor up and also take the oil pump off through a narrow gap. But, it only cost me $21 for the pan. )

The engine water pump felt nasty, didnt roll over smooth and the shaft had some play. I pressed out the impeller and shaft and sure enough the bearing is shot. Its a weird long cylindical bearing, nothing I have in stock. It hadnt been leaking out of the telltale, but I dont think it would have made the season. NOt sure which way Im gonna go with that....the new marine unit is too costly for me....I will get a used one, or I may try something creative there. The automotive units casting is different, but I would wager the internals are compatible.

So for what its worth, although IVe heard the AQ125 was based on the B23, mine is most surely a B21 block according to the piston and bore measurements, etc. MY Volvo marine manual confirms this as well.

Again, file all of this in the "dont try this at home" department. I know Im a hack, but Ive got the skills to back it up. :D
 

captmello

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

Glad to hear your making progress.

the 125A was b21, and the 125B was b23. Sounds like you've got an A.:)

Keep it up!
 

2stroke1971

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Re: Aging AQ125... one more season I think, opinions please

oops, trying to load pics...
 
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