Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

Nandy

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I have a listed in the local craigslist for a Airlft vac/refill pump. It reads something like "used Airlft vac/refill pump for automotive cooling systems. This tool vacuums the cooling system of all air, refills system eleminating the need to "burp" the cooling system. It is universal." He is asking $90 for it. I have a Nissan that I have to change the compressor because it is locked. Could I use this machine to get the freon out of the system and put the freon back/vacuum it once I change the compressor? What parts should be normally included with this system?
 

ehenry

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

nandy, i looked at the ad you're talking about and it is for the radiator. What you need is an a/c vacume pump.
 

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

You are probably right... dang!!!
 

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if you have a harbor freight around you can get a pneumatic vacume pump for a 134 system pretty cheap.....less than what that guy is selling that POS for on craigslist.

I bought one and it works just fine for what I needed and still came out less than taking it to an a/c shop
 

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yup! that is my next move. The only issue I have with the harbor freight one is that I dont have a way to keep the freon to put it back plus it dont have the hoses... but looks like the top option...
 

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Nandy,
I know your trying to save a few bucks with your ac problem but playing around with freon is dangerous.

You can save quite a bit of money by having them evacuate and then recharge your system after you replace your compressor.

Trying to piece meal this type of repair is asking for trouble.

They have the right equipment to do this job and full it properly and add some dye for future checks and leakage.

Believe me when i say doing the wrong thing WILL get you hurt. Big time.

Definitely not a backyard type repair under any circumstances.

Trying to go get the equipment will cost you so much more in the long run and for sure i wouldn't be using any AC equipment i just bought used unless it was checked over by the manufacture.

It's that dangerous.

Be safe. Have it done right.. And keep all your limbs for fishing and boating and hugging your loved ones.
 

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

You can save quite a bit of money by having them evacuate and then recharge your system after you replace your compressor.

No they won't, I already asked, they want my money and my freon so they can sell it to someone else.
Believe me, I wond do all this if in the end I will just save 20 dollars or so. However I am getting a vac so I can use it for glass and that would be the perfect solution as I can take care of 2 problems.
Thanks!
 

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No they won't, I already asked, they want my money and my freon so they can sell it to someone else.
Believe me, I wond do all this if in the end I will just save 20 dollars or so. However I am getting a vac so I can use it for glass and that would be the perfect solution as I can take care of 2 problems.
Thanks!

MMMMMMM I've done it many times..

Guess the "right thing to do" has many meanings..

Wish i could help..
 

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MMMMMMM I've done it many times..

Guess the "right thing to do" has many meanings..

Wish i could help..

I appreciate your concern and advise. I called local shops in charlotte and they want $110 for vacuum the system and put freon in it. I dont blame them, they want to make money as everyone else. I just want to save enough money to make my effort worth it.

If my system takes about 2 pounds of freon I can get 3 of those 12 ounces cans in walmart to fill it. They are like 6 dollars a can. they also have the can with the dye plus the can with the oil. None is more that $6.00 each. If all this is ok I can vaccum and add oil and freon with dye for a fraction of that $109+ tax... I will wear safety gear...
 

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

I appreciate your concern and advise. I called local shops in charlotte and they want $110 for vacuum the system and put freon in it. I dont blame them, they want to make money as everyone else. I just want to save enough money to make my effort worth it.

If my system takes about 2 pounds of freon I can get 3 of those 12 ounces cans in walmart to fill it. They are like 6 dollars a can. they also have the can with the dye plus the can with the oil. None is more that $6.00 each. If all this is ok I can vaccum and add oil and freon with dye for a fraction of that $109+ tax... I will wear safety gear...

Just be careful.
 

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Nandy, you had said in an earlier post that you were getting your compressor out of a salvage yard. If this is the case the compressor may still have oil in it. I would ask the guys at the yard about it. If you ordered a rebuilt compressor you will need to add oil to it at installation. Some rebuilt compressors come with a premeasured bottle of oil so all you will need to do is pour it in the compressor. Another thing to consider is installing a new drier/filter. The material in these filters does, over time, come apart in the canister and goes through the system. It would be wise to flush the system with nitrogen prior to installing the new compressor and drier.
 

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

"Yes, I could google it, but I rather get advise from my Iboats fellow members... "

Whether you take it or not?....:eek:;)

I agree with Bass Tracker...."Danger Will Robinson...danger!".

But since you seem bent on having at it, I won't add any comments on the wisdom or potential safety issues of doing it yourself (unless I have misread, this will be your first A/C adventure)

There are some very real practical issues....

(I will say that in a previous career slot I repaired and rebuilt fairly large refrigeration eqpt ...ice maker and blast freezer compressors....4 and 6 cylinder recip. .....powered by 30, 60 and 75 HP electric motors. This in far-flung locations where you would often have to do a Rube goldberg WRT tools and/or parts. With the big stuff you did have a margin for error.
I would, even today, happily get up to my elbows in a large building a/c chiller or similar.
Auto a/c....not a chance. IMO, it is less "finicky" to work on big systems like that than on an auto A/C system and the chances of a glitch because of the smaller size is greater.I completely understand the systems and components, but without top-end tools and some hands-on experience with auto a/c, my chances would not be great. They have near zero tolerance.)

Trying to extrapolate what I do know to auto a/c and offer some positive suggestions....if there are any auto a/c gurus in here, they may be able to raise a flag if I am being overly-cautious....but it all makes sense to me....


Your two biggest challenges will be internal cleanliness of the system, and complete evacuation before charging.
The smallest speck of dirt or moisture will %$#@^^& it up!
If your old compressor had any parts break up, there may be residue that will plug the tiny orifices in the expansion valve.
Moisture particles will become ice, and do the same.


Google any info you can find on flushing auto a/c systems, and best practices for pumping down.
Also, there are some obvious risks with using a salvage yard compressor....see what you can find out about internal cleaning of the compressor and getting rid of any oil and the contaminants in the oil.
As an example, when I finished an ice maker compressor, I precharged the system with Nitrogen and then pumped down to 29"-30" of vacuum.
Then did it 3 more times. Pump down would take 3 hours+ each time.
Don't try to rush it
You can't afford shortcuts.
You'd get away with a bit of air in with the refrigerant, but not moisture or dirt!

I was using a high performance refrigeration vacuum pump. It would pull below 29" of vacuum. Less than 29" and you will never get the moisture evacuated....and that may be the limitation of the Harbour Freight unit.

After a rebuild on big compressors, you would expect to change the filter and the system dryer a few times in the first weeks , and there were bypass valves that would allow that without having to open the system....in fact on many, you could actually do it with the system running!

Auto A/C doesn't give you that option....but if you are saving a fair bit of $$, and the refrigerant is fairly cheap, it might be a similar result to run for a few hours and then change the filter/drier......pump down and recharge....then do it once more.

For the big systems you can get dryer/filters specially for a rebuild situation, and there might be the equivalent in the Auto world....or maybe not???...:confused:

Be careful! and when charging, err on the undercharge side.

Good luck.
 

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Re: Airlft vac/refill pump, useful?

"Yes, I could google it, but I rather get advise from my Iboats fellow members... "

Whether you take it or not?....:eek:;)

I agree with Bass Tracker...."Danger Will Robinson...danger!".

But since you seem bent on having at it, I won't add any comments on the wisdom or potential safety issues of doing it yourself (unless I have misread, this will be your first A/C adventure)

There are some very real practical issues....

(I will say that in a previous career slot I repaired and rebuilt fairly large refrigeration eqpt ...ice maker and blast freezer compressors....4 and 6 cylinder recip. .....powered by 30, 60 and 75 HP electric motors. This in far-flung locations where you would often have to do a Rube goldberg WRT tools and/or parts. With the big stuff you did have a margin for error.
I would, even today, happily get up to my elbows in a large building a/c chiller or similar.
Auto a/c....not a chance. IMO, it is less "finicky" to work on big systems like that than on an auto A/C system and the chances of a glitch because of the smaller size is greater.I completely understand the systems and components, but without top-end tools and some hands-on experience with auto a/c, my chances would not be great. They have near zero tolerance.)

Trying to extrapolate what I do know to auto a/c and offer some positive suggestions....if there are any auto a/c gurus in here, they may be able to raise a flag if I am being overly-cautious....but it all makes sense to me....


Your two biggest challenges will be internal cleanliness of the system, and complete evacuation before charging.
The smallest speck of dirt or moisture will %$#@^^& it up!
If your old compressor had any parts break up, there may be residue that will plug the tiny orifices in the expansion valve.
Moisture particles will become ice, and do the same.


Google any info you can find on flushing auto a/c systems, and best practices for pumping down.
Also, there are some obvious risks with using a salvage yard compressor....see what you can find out about internal cleaning of the compressor and getting rid of any oil and the contaminants in the oil.
As an example, when I finished an ice maker compressor, I precharged the system with Nitrogen and then pumped down to 29"-30" of vacuum.
Then did it 3 more times. Pump down would take 3 hours+ each time.
Don't try to rush it
You can't afford shortcuts.
You'd get away with a bit of air in with the refrigerant, but not moisture or dirt!

I was using a high performance refrigeration vacuum pump. It would pull below 29" of vacuum. Less than 29" and you will never get the moisture evacuated....and that may be the limitation of the Harbour Freight unit.

After a rebuild on big compressors, you would expect to change the filter and the system dryer a few times in the first weeks , and there were bypass valves that would allow that without having to open the system....in fact on many, you could actually do it with the system running!

Auto A/C doesn't give you that option....but if you are saving a fair bit of $$, and the refrigerant is fairly cheap, it might be a similar result to run for a few hours and then change the filter/drier......pump down and recharge....then do it once more.

For the big systems you can get dryer/filters specially for a rebuild situation, and there might be the equivalent in the Auto world....or maybe not???...:confused:

Be careful! and when charging, err on the undercharge side.

Good luck.

Your not being over cautious in your words Tim.

I can't sit and type for an hour to go over every detail so any input others can add is great.

Good post.
 
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