Alarm!!! Help

Keepi time

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Ok 1989 Johnson 90 hp V4 engine. New water pump, new thermostats, and alarm is going off. It's a constant alarm for overheating. I can touch the head for about 3 seconds, (hot though). Any ideas? I pulled the hoses off going to the thermostat cover and have good water flow coming through the head. Take it away experts, what say ye.
 

Will Bark

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Re: Alarm!!! Help

Check the tan wires for cuts in the insulation and touching the block somewhere; had this happen on a 1988 110 Johnny. Good luck
 

Keepi time

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Re: Alarm!!! Help

Thanks for the reply Will. One of the wires was touch the block but did not appear to be cut. I am going to wrap some electrical tape around anyway. I am shooting the head tomorrow with a temp gun to see how hot it gets before the alarm goes off. After that, not sure where to go. Hopefully not to the shop this close to summer, ill never see it until fall. When I went to replace the thermostats this weekend the previous owner did not have any in there. Ran it for 2 years without any alarms until the end of the summer this past year. Hopefully will get more insight here. Thanks again!
 

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Re: Alarm!!! Help

(Water Deflectors)
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Water deflectors are actually lengths of 3/8" outside diameter rubber hose, installed between the top cylinder and any cylinder beneath it, and also between the bottom cylinder and the block. The purpose of the deflectors is to have the water follow a definite path around the cylinder walls. Unfortunately the deflectors between the cylinders will at times swell sideways due to either a previous bad overheating problem, or simply due to age and salt corrosion. This causes a water flow restriction which usually allows the water to cool sufficently at low rpms but not at the higher rpms.

This hose material can be purchased reasonably at any automotive parts type store if you care to make your own, or you can purchase individual deflectors at any Evinrude/Johnson dealership at a somewhat higher cost.

Removing and installing them can be a hassle at times, but not always. I use a sharply pointed scribe with about 1/4" of the tip bent at a right angle whereas I can reach in, jab the tip sideways into the rubber, then yank it out. It's necessary to clean the seating surfaces where the ruber contacts the block with a small rat tail file to eliminate salt deposits etc. When installing the new rubber deflector, coat the deflector and the metal surfaces with WD40 which will act as lubrication to allow it to go in as easily as possible.

Make sure that you insert something into that deflector area before cutting and installing the deflectors if you make your own so that you will be certain that they are the right length and also that they will be seated properly. Usually a very small amount will be left extending about the block sealing area..... simply cut the excess off with a single edge razor blade.
 

boobie

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Shoot the block for temps and get back to us.
 

Keepi time

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Thanks Joe! I had suspected that, but was nervous about puling the head off. I guess (if the temp gun test today fails) I have no choice. Thanks for the tips on removal. I will keep you all posted.
 

Keepi time

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Ok tested with infrared gun and alarm goes off at 180. Got up to 185 and I shut it off. I guess I will pull the head off and check the water deflectors. Does anyone have any advice on taking off the bolts as I have read quite a few threads where they break off. Really do not want that to happen. Also, I assume that I need to buy new head gaskets when I do this. I will try and take pictures of this so that if all goes well someone else may benefit. Also, once i pull the heads what else should i look for while i have them off as i only want to do this once at least for a while. Thanks for the advise so far.
 

Keepi time

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Just realized I only need the water cover gasket. Maybe this won't be as hard as I thought. Tips are welcome!
 

Keepi time

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Re: Alarm!!! Help

Got the reflector part Boobie. Apparently you need to read post #7 again.
 

Keepi time

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Don't get upset Boobie. It was just a joke. Thanks for all your help!
 

boobie

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I never get upset................. Don't have to anymore.:laugh:
 

Joe Reeves

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Just realized I only need the water cover gasket. Maybe this won't be as hard as I thought. Tips are welcome!

???... To rework the water deflectors, the cylinder heads must be removed. If extremely tight salt corroded bolts are encountered, use a hand held propane torch to heat the aluminum around the bolts (expands the aluminum to help release the bolt).

There is no need to remove the water jacket cover from the cylinder heads.
 

Keepi time

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Awesome! I'm hoping after completely redoing this engine over the next few years, I acquire that much patience. Trying to keep a level head all while learning at the same time. Again I appreciate your expert knowledge!
 

Keepi time

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@Joe, thanks I suppose I was not looking at this right earlier today. Back to the manual on this one. Thanks Joe.
 
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