Am i asking to much

my1stboat1

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im looking to sell my 1st boat to buy a larger 2nd boat.. I boat this boat for a 1000 and put little over 2500 into it and its basically perfect now.. I want to sell it for 4500 to use that money and 5k i have to put a healthy down payment on what i want.. So basically am i asking to much for a

1988 Bayliner/trophy 16 foot Center Console
1988 escort bunk trailer with new tires lites and crank
1988 85 hp force with new tilt & trim pump, waterpump kit, plugs, carbs rebuilt and syncd, new 20 pole magnetic pickup, and rectifier, new fuel pump diagphram and lower unit just serviced with new replacement prop

Boat floors are solid, front console seat is new and reupolstered and a new stainless steel cooler box built in under the seat... New rub rail, New bottom paint, Dash panel gauges new, Entire boat rewired with new fuse panel, new vfh radio and antenna, new am/fm/ cd and speakers,,, new bilge pump and auto switch, Led lighting under the gunnel ,,, New anchor ....

Boat really needs nothing but seems like im asking to much at 4500 or best offer... what do you guys thinkk... Boat runs excellent, starts and purrs, and tops out at 38 mph at 5100 rpms....
 

NYBo

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Re: Am i asking to much

Sorry, but $4500 is overpriced, IMO. Not that I have anything against a 22-year-old Bayliner (refer to my signature!), but you never get back what you put in, except for very rare exceptions, and this boat isn't one of them. You might get lucky and get back your $3500, but only if you are in an area where 1. that type of boat is popular, and 2. you are in an area that is still boating (otherwise, you should wait for Spring when you can demonstrate the boat on the water). But even $3500 may be a stretch, I'm afraid.
 

my1stboat1

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Re: Am i asking to much

thats what im looking for honesty... thank you keep them Respectively coming... Ive never sold a boat before thats why im asking..
 

Frank Acampora

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YES! Lucky if you get any offers with that high an asking price. It is a difficult sell.

You have an entry level boat which most people think is crap---not true--and an engine which most people also think is crap--again, not true. Although Force is an out of production engine--but again, a point against it.

However, perception sets the demand and there are a lot of Bayliner/Forces out there cheaper than yours.
 

sublauxation

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Unless you're in a hurry it never hurts to start a little high...Craigslist is free! I sell a couple cars per year, mostly off Craigslist, and I think it helps to start a little high and drop it a hundred or two every 4-5 days. People seem to watch for a while before responding, and dropping the price gets them excited.
 

dockwrecker

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Perception is a big deal with a used boat, and I don't want to sound mean but you've got a bunch of money invested in what's notoriously a bad deal. I hope that your investment dollars are apparent to a new and educated buyer, I firmly believe that a well maintained boat will bring it's money. However you've got a ton of competition at that price range for entry level boats in used condition and that model/motor combo isn't a hot seller for mostly good reason.
Get the most you can for it, don't turn your back on market offers. You're going to be licking some wounds here and hopefully learn from this forum and invest wisely on your next one. Good luck! Move on to better things. :)
 

Brewman61

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Re: Am i asking to much

It's very simple. If you advertise something for sale, and you get no offers, the price is probably too high. Doesn't matter what you paid for it originally, or what you've spent along the way. The only thing of any importance is what someone else would be willing to pay you for it. If you want a rough idea, ask a boat dealer what they'd give you for it if they bought if from you for cash, then double or double and a half that number, and that's roughly what a dealer might charge. That'd at least get you to a reasonably close starting point. But again, if nobody expresses interest, your asking price is too high for this time and place. In my area right now you'd likely not get anywhere near what your're asking.
 

DuckHunterJon

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I'd say it depends on how much of a hurry you are in to sell it. I sold a motorcycle once for $4000 that blue booked for $2900. I wasn't in a hurry, and decided to put it up on craigslist just to see if I got any bites. A guy responded (the only one) and the next day he owned it for $3800. Was it too much - yes. Did he seem to know or care - nope. You never know.

With that said, it's a bad time of year to be commanding any kind of premium on price. You would probably do better in the spring - but again, why not list it and see what happens.
 
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I've got to echo what everyone else is saying. I've been paying close attention to boats in my area since I'll be selling one in the spring. IMHO where I live you'd be looking at maybe $2500. Boats are black holes that you pour money into, it's a very rare instance where you'll get back everything you put into one, much less turn a profit.
 

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You know I wonder because you have 'Best Offer' in there what is going on. When I see BO I recognize the price is really just a starting point and wouldn't hesitate to offer what I felt it was worth to me. I'm going to say that that boat didn't cost much more than $4,500 when new not that that means too much I suppose due to inflation. Rignt now I could probably a boat close to a year 2000 for around there if I shopped for it. I've sold some of my past vehicles for 200% more than a sane asking price only because I kept them so nice compared to the competition and because they may have had a certain niche about them such as a supercharged engine that may have been a bit more rare.
 

Slip Away

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" Am i asking to much"

Yes.
Start at $2800 and see if you get any bites. Take anything over $2,000 and don't count on getting $5K to spend towards your next boat.
 

Home Cookin'

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and always take the first offer!

This just goes to show, excluding a boat bought to fix and flip, that a boat is not an investment. It will not hold its value, and money you put into it will not be returned. And while a well maintained boat will sell easier (faster) it will not always command a much higher price than one of average maintenance and aging. Think of it this way: a garage-kept, waxed monthly washed weekly no food allowed 1982 Taurus is a 1982 Taurus, and it won't get any better than that. But it can get worse.
Along those lines I believe that the people who go to extremes to maintain their boat's cosmetic appearance will not recover their time, inconvenience and expense at resale 15 years later. Therefore the reason to put that effort into it is for the present owner's enjoyment, not the next's.
 

1fishbone

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Not knowing where you are selling the boat, but it seems over priced.

Let's not forget the time of the year!
Not many people have 'play' money lying around waiting for a deal on a boat.

A good looking boat will sell for the right price, just not right now.
Clean it, shine it and keep it clean and ready to go!

Sometimes (I got this from a car saleman) they will price it high, some buyers think since it's priced higher...it must/might be better!

Don't go and advertise every week/day expecting someone to call, I know if I see the same boat/car/truck/bike for sale every week on Craig's list or where ever, I tend to think it can't be worth the asking price, or there's something wrong with it.

You have some good advice here and hold off until the holidays are over...then list it...start off around $3800, a week later, drop down to $3500.

Wait a few weeks, then try a lower price...$3250, I know if I saw that ad I would think...this guy wants to sell, and is willing to come down!! I would think I could come over with $3000 or $2800 and you would go for it!

You have to choose your numbers, I just put numbers to make a point!

Use different pictures, change the title and description.

Don't put too many 'upgrades' many look at that as if 'if it's that good...why is he selling it"?
"...plugs, carbs rebuilt and syncd, new 20 pole magnetic pickup, and rectifier, new fuel pump diagphram" TOO much info!! (not to mention...bad spelling)

Be patient!!
Maybe you can get that 'newb' to hand over ALL the money!!
 

Silvertip

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While you shouldn't panic at this point, in the end you will probably have learned a valuable lessons. The following considerations must be made whether flipping a boat, car, truck, bike, or even a house but let's stick to boats here.

1) Brand -- Doesn't matter what condition it's in if you are selling a brand that has less than a stellar reputation. However, there is always a buyer that, like you were, is uniformed so you could get lucky. But findiing that buyer is the issue. More on this in the next step.
2) The Ad: The very minute you put "or best offer" in an ad. it raises a flag that no matter what the price you are will to take a hit. Best Offer is also rather misleading and few people think about it. Asking $4500 and having someone offer you $10 is probably your best offer had you not had any previous offers. "Negotiable" is the word if you really have some wiggle room.
3) Never add a bunch of stuff to a flipper that someone else can add. You never get your money back. If the item is there but non-functional, then replacement is necessary but it MUST be considered in the "buy price".
4) Location-Location-Location: Same as real estate, where you are will dictate whether you have a marketable boat. Trying to sell your boat in an area of upscale homes will not likely produce a buyer.
5) Clean sells: Looks like you have this area covered. However, fresh paint means you were trying to hide something. Sorry -- but educated buyers feel that way and no matter what you say, an educated buyer will not believe what you tell them unless you can prove what you say.
6) Power: A Force engine is not very marketable. Good-bad-or in between, you have a tough time selling something that has a less than stellar reputation, but it is even more difficult when said engine is long out of production.
7) Know your product: Do not delve into flipping boats you know nothing about. Concentrate on two or maybe three models and just one or two power plants so you get to know their marketability. Otherwise you end up again in the same boat you are now (no pun intended).
8) Hull-Interior-Power or HIP for short: Unless you own the boat literally for nothing, you need 2 out the 3 categories requiring only cleaning or slight touch up. In the case of the hull, if you need to repair and paint, your time is costing you money. If the engine requires repair and you can't do the work yourself or are not sure of what you have, you again can lose money. Interiors are expensive to repair and/or replace. So cut your losses by insisting that 2 of the three categories need little or no work. That leaves someone elses misfortune for you to make money on.
9) Time of year: This has been mentioned earlier, but selling a boat now is difficult if you live up in the tundra like I do. It is also Christmas and people are spending money on other stuff. Tax refund time is the time to begin advertising. Advertise for one week only then pull the ad. This gets people thinking -- Crap -- I missed that one. Advertise somewhere else and then return to Craigs list in a couple weeks. When it comes back on-line, a previous viewer may call and indicate he saw the ad earlier and why is it back on. Simple answer is -- deal fell through! Not a lie since you had no deal. See how this works. Craigs list works very well. Take pictures and provide details that draw attention. Words like spotless, new, replaced, etc should be followed with pictures. Post pictures (close ups) of every interesting aspect of your boat on PhotoBucket, Flickr and then post a link to those pictures in your ad. If you intend to do this on a serious basis, you need to "Market" the boat -- not just say you have one for sale. Make people want it!!!
10) Do not buy a flipper if you cannot afford long-term to be out the money used in the flip. It is not good economic sense.

How do I know these tips work? It is called experience -- many years of it. I just sold my personal three year old pontoon for $400 less than I paid for it new. So much for depreciation being bad huh. Determining how much you can get for something is not a matter of determining the profit you want. You need to buy it right in the first place knowing roughly how much you need to spend to make it Marketable. Then what you get for it minus what have invested is what you earned.
 

tcgobucks

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Re: Am i asking to much

Just looked up the NADA value. Average retail is $1750. Even in good as new condition you'd likely be very lucky to get $2500.
 

tboltmike

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Just looked up the NADA value. Average retail is $1750. Even in good as new condition you'd likely be very lucky to get $2500.

Interesting, The value of a a boat, motor and trailer as a unit. Interesting, too, that some trolling motors and GPS's are in that price range. Can't get a motor for a 14' jon boat for that.

What would be the value of the rig if an $1,500 trolling motor was installed on it, assuming the rig would accomodate it?
 

Home Cookin'

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If you add a $1,500 trolling motor to a $2,000 boat, you can sell the whole rig for $2,000. Illogical as that sounds, it's how it works. You really don't get extra for the extras, especially things like anchors, fenders, etc. And on some boats, the extras are expected--like a radio and GPS/depth finder on a 21'+ boat, around here.

In addition to what was said, I think that if an ad has too much detail about repairs done, it suggests that the boat was in bad shape to begin with. Except for classics, no one wants a boat that has been brought back from the dead. They want to know that the worse the boat has ever looked is how it is today.
 

1fishbone

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Just looked up the NADA value. Average retail is $1750. Even in good as new condition you'd likely be very lucky to get $2500.

Online NADA values are mis-leading, they don't into account, location, time of year.
Add the motor and trailer according to NADA it's worth;
boat$1,800 (no options), motor $185, trailer $225 = about $2210

I use them for sales purposes...if it makes my sale look like it's worth more than 'what it's worth' I use it.

In my area a good running 150 Force is worth about $700 to $1000
A good trailer 18' trailer around $700 with a clean really good looking older boat... TOTAL $3000 FOR SALE IN MAY/JUNE
 

my1stboat1

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Re: Am i asking to much

WOW..... guess im asking to much..

thanks.. well see what i can get out of it this spring maybe.. i dont think ill take less then 3800.. in this area new jersey i havent been able to find a boat for under 6500 that really doesnt need anything.. you guys can say im covering up this or that with paint.. It was cosmetics.. when i bought the boat a year ago it sat outside uncovered in the weather and it was filthy...
 
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make sure before you sell it wash it and polish it like you never did before make it look like a million dollars. The appreance is every thing when selling you boat.
 
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