Another alignment issue..

imported_TheMan

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Hey guys,

Well like I've said, I'm finishing up the 3.0 to 4.3 upgrade. Engine was running well off of original boat electrics and controls, so I was finally attaching the outdrive. (Currently rebuilding the carb just to make sure performance is optimal).

Was trying to align the engine (I have and do use an alignment tool) and was able to insert the tool a good depth rather easily till I felt it bottom out. Not knowing the exact depth I needed to go, I slapped the outdrive on to see where I stood. The outdrive was able to sit on all the studs but was approximately 1/2" from sealing.

I checked the alignment with the tool again along with some dye and found it to be bottoming out during the installation at the first journal transition. To me, this indicates that the engine is aligned and suggests that I have some type of coupler issue. After reading all the posts on here, I would like to try tapping my alignment tool up and down to see if I can adjust the gimble bearing to allow better fit (again, it seems that since my alignment tool was bottoming out, the alignment isn't the issue, but i'll check anyway). I will also try rotating the engine to see if that helps at all or makes it worse.

My rear engine mounts appeared to be in pretty good condition. The doublewound washers are not new, but I don't suspect them at this point.

Now heres the real question I had:
The original engine was an '89 Sea Ray 180 with a 3.0L and Alpha One. The engine I swapped in is a 1991 (1990 manufactured) 4.3L that was previously on an Alpha Gen II. I used the coupler and housing off of the 4.3L. Doing some looking at on-line suppliers, it appears that the engine coupler was different between pre 1998 3.0Ls and all of the 4.3L or V8 models. I'm not sure if somehow the '91 4.3L coupler isn't compatible with my '89 Alpha one drive? Can anyone verify this for me and tell me whether this is a likely source for my problem? I'm not sure what the couple differences are exactly and if it possibly my problem.

At this point I am thinking about trying to swap the 3.0L coupler onto the 4.3L to verify if this is somehow the problem. Ideally I would like to not remove the engine, but I am just trying to find the problem and it seems to be the cheap (but somewhat laborous) method of doing so. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone!
 

alaska_av8r

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Re: Another alignment issue..

I cannot answer the coupler question but 1/2 inch is typical of the point where the drive shaft starts getting snug in the gimbal bearing and normally a jolt with the foot will solve the problem.
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Another alignment issue..

Howdy,

You might need to compare the couplers. I'm assuming that you did use the correct transom plate and bell housing for the 4.3 (if they're different)

If they're not different then the couplers should be the same and you just have a sticking problem like AS-av8r mentioned.

You might use a little emery cloth to clean up the shaft if it's a little rusty.

I would also measure the depth of the coupler splines and measure the length of the shaft to ensure that something is not amiss.

If you do not have another coupler like the one on the engine laying around you may just have to remove the engine to make the comparison.

You can also check with either a dealer or go to a site (like doug russell) where they sell those couplers and see if the couplers are the same for each engine etc.

For example: http://www.sterndrive.info/sterndriveparts/engine_coupler.html

It looks like they may be the same..
 

imported_TheMan

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Re: Another alignment issue..

A swift kick in the *** sounds more and more appealing... but I would hate to mess it up at this point. Don should be awake soon, maybe he can help!
 

alaska_av8r

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Re: Another alignment issue..

If you find out the couplers are the same...as HT said take some sandpaper to the drive input shaft and make sure its nice and clean, lube it just a bit then give it a try, also check the splines make sure there are no nicks etc...those can cause you problems as well. If still not going I have had success rotating the shaft 90 degrees and trying again...

then the kick or rubber mallet....
 

imported_TheMan

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Re: Another alignment issue..

As an update, I gave it a good bit of thought and decided the couple shouldn't really be an issue even if it were different between engines. Thousands of Alpha I units have been connected in the exact same setup as mine, so it was stupid to think otherwise.

I tried to re-install the drive again yesterday (in the daytime) and I got it in with no trouble at all.. Must have just been a slight misalignment on the splines before or something.

Just need to re-attach my carburetor and I am ready to give it a water test. Thanks for the advice.
 
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