"Another Force Mystery"

ChalkBoy

Seaman Apprentice
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Hello all... I have a great little 85hp '87 outboard. It treats me well, but is doing something I'm crazy about during my last 2 outings. After zipping around for a while, (a least 2 hours) the engine begins to bog down a start to lose power. On both occasions, it was after about 15 minutes of open throttle (85%) travel. It would not stall, but die out as if I were running out of fuel. There was plenty of fuel in the tank and it was ventilated. I would bring into neutral, rev it out of gear, where it seemed to run fine, then attempt to move forward when it seemed to have HALF the power. I left the throttle position where it was, and the engine would sputter, and intermitently regaining power. Then engine would slowly regain it's power after 30 seconds, and move on it's merry way. I then opened it back up, and it was operating normal. <br /><br />After the first occurance, I replaced the fuel line, fuel tank, tank valve, fuel pump filter screen. Please note that these things were changed BEFORE the second occurance. <br /><br />The really WEIRD thing is, this happened both times at the exact location on the lake, same direction, same speed, same circumstances (after 3 hours of normal operation) <br /><br />Note: I always use fresh 93 oct gas, Penzoil Marine TC-W3, and some sort of fuel stabilizer. <br /><br />Could the fuel pump be failing?<br />Could the spark plugs be fouling? (plugs are brand new)<br /><br />HELP!
 

ChalkBoy

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Re: "Another Force Mystery"

I forgot to add that I have checked the compression on the engine recently and they read around 135. (125-145 in normal)<br /><br />Thanks!
 

12Footer

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Re: "Another Force Mystery"

The plugs will tell the story,Calkboy.<br />When it does this, pull the plugs and check the condition. They should be black or dark brown (allmost black),and dry to moist...<br />Never wet. If they look real clean, it's water fouling.<br />If they are wet and greasy, oil fouling.<br />Lower octane to the recommendation of 87octane,no alcohol,and omitt the additives.<br />If not completely, cut-down on the additives.<br />I have had the same problem with my 50HP Force.<br />It simply will not perform on higher octane fuels,and if I add Sta-Bil to that, it will not run at all,fouling the plugs with goo.<br />I know how detrimentql running stale fuel can be, so I try to run my tanks dry,carrying a bottle of oil,and a tank of non-mixed in case I don't make it as planned (it happens).<br />I don't know what octane you are using, but stay with 87 if that is what u are using.<br />For carbon build-up, I use ValvTect spray on my outboards. It is expensive,but works great. It does have a tendancy to make the plugs short or something tho, so I put new plugs in after the twice-a-year decarb.<br />Force motors build-up carbon quickly, especially at low speeds. The best oil I have found (thanks to this forum), is WallMart's "Supertech" brand. It is cheap,and has the same characteristics as Quicksilver at half the price. I have used the Penzoil oil, and it performed ok,but was smokey-er than the Supertech. As was Lubrimatic. They worked, but I could SEE the byproducts in the air.
 

ChalkBoy

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Re: "Another Force Mystery"

I'll try out your advice! thanks! However I was told that I should use high octain gas. But you have a Force, and I don't think he did.. :confused:
 

Liam

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Re: "Another Force Mystery"

Hi Chalkboy,<br /><br />i had a similar roblem with my Johnson 60HP OB. I did all the work you did. Finally I brought it to the local expert who replaced the powerpack. Apparently when this heats up it begins to breakdown and lose spark power. It really felt like fuel starvation but ended up being electrical.<br /><br />Good Luck,<br /><br />Liam ;)
 
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