Another gas fumes boat fire

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http://wcco.com/local/boat.explosion.fire.2.1181752.html

BUFFALO, Minn. (WCCO) ―

Gas fumes from a boat motor exploded as a man was putting his boat into the water burning him and his four children. It happened on Lake Pulaski near Buffalo around 2:30 Sunday afternoon.

"We were on one side of the dock and they were on the other and we were both getting ready to just go out on the lake," said Michelle Kivi.

Kivi said a man and his four children were on the boat next to them. Just when they were preparing to launch, she said she heard what sounded like a gunshot.

"My back was turned to their boat and all of a sudden we just heard this big boom. The cover had blown off the motor and hit one of the kids in the face so they had like a cut," said Kivi.

Kivi said instantly smoke and fire filled the boat.

Police said the man and his children suffered minor burns. The boat was tied to the dock when it caught fire. Witnesses say it's owner, with a little help from a fellow boater, tried to put out the flames with fire extinguishers they both had on boat.

"We used a fire extinguisher until it was gone but it just kept getting bigger and bigger until everybody just ran from the dock," said Kivi.

Firefighters arrived within minutes to put out the flames.

The family was taken to an area hospital where they were treated and released. The Wright County Sheriff said the man forgot to clear fumes off the motor before starting it.

Boaters say clearing fumes from the motor is something you do every time before going out on the water.

"The engine compartment is very enclosed. If there's any gas that gets in there when you throw the ignition switch, it can go up in flames and it can go up in flames very quickly just as it happened here," said Clare Grundtner.

The Wright County Sheriff says because this was an accident no charges will be filed or citations issued.
 

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Re: Another gas fumes boat fire

The man and the children are very lucky. Had someone watching over them that day. I have read stories of far worse happening.

Maybe those blower switches should be really big and red. And then placed in a very overt location as to get everyones attention. Or even have a safety to not allow the engine to crank unless it is on.
 

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You know I almost always use the blower but just recently really discovered what gas fumes can do. Trying to start a fire at the cabin for the kids with wet wood after several days of rain, I resorted to using a little bit of gas on the logs. In the two minutes it took for me to go get a match after I put the gas on it and lite the fire the invisible vapor made a 10 foot circle around the fire pit unbeknown to me. I stood back just out of ingrained cautiosness threw the match and lit the shore on fire. I was amazed what just a little gas can do on a calm day out in the open. That same thing on a boat would be catastrophic.
 

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Ya know, with all of the advances in boating technology, one would think this would be a problem of the past. It's now almost 2010 and we're still blowing up boats at the dock. -Ken
 

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Ya know, with all of the advances in boating technology, one would think this would be a problem of the past. It's now almost 2010 and we're still blowing up boats at the dock. -Ken

thats assuming it wasn't a 30 year old boat... (and judging by the pictures, i'm guessing it WAS 30 years old!) carbed engines are much more likely to seep fuel out while parked...

but you would think at some point flammable gas detectors would be mandatory equipment in sealed compartments that have fuel tanks. They aren't that expensive (under $100), and if all mfg's put them on as standard equipment it would add very little to the cost.
 

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It would be easy enough to have an ignition switch that has a lock out that will not allow you to start unless the blower has been run within (xx) hours, or some other convoluted logic. Unfortunately, that is just one more piece of equipment to break and leave you stranded, and it's a real safety issue to not be able to instantly start your boat in case of emergency.
Good seamanship beats technology most every time....
 

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I am really glad no one was too badly hurt.That lake/ramp is only a few miles from me.
 

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It would be easy enough to have an ignition switch that has a lock out that will not allow you to start unless the blower has been run within (xx) hours, or some other convoluted logic.

that would get really difficult to implement... it would have to keep track of how long since you have had the engine running, as well as a sensor to figure out if the hatch is open or not.
 

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that would get really difficult to implement... it would have to keep track of how long since you have had the engine running, as well as a sensor to figure out if the hatch is open or not.
.....and with today's electronics and multiplexing you're closer than you might think. There are a multitude of logic based systems on cars all the way up to 18 wheelers.
Stop and think......you have to have your foot on the brake to shift out of Park. You can shift into Reverse at 60 MPH, but nothing happens - it's electronically locked out from executing the function. Headlights turn ON with wipers. It all started with a buzzer or chime that told you that the key was in the ignition, or you left your headlights ON and opened the door. The list goes on.........
When it comes to a 30 year old vessel or any piece of machinery, we're back to the guy completing the circuit between the steering wheel and the seat cover.
 

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Ya know, with all of the advances in boating technology, one would think this would be a problem of the past. It's now almost 2010 and we're still blowing up boats at the dock. -Ken

:eek: PROOF AGAIN that technology does not provide for a more intelligent populace. :eek::D:D
 

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You know I almost always use the blower but just recently really discovered what gas fumes can do. Trying to start a fire at the cabin for the kids with wet wood after several days of rain, I resorted to using a little bit of gas on the logs. In the two minutes it took for me to go get a match after I put the gas on it and lite the fire the invisible vapor made a 10 foot circle around the fire pit unbeknown to me. I stood back just out of ingrained cautiosness threw the match and lit the shore on fire. I was amazed what just a little gas can do on a calm day out in the open. That same thing on a boat would be catastrophic.

i know this isnt quite on topic but:

take about 3 papertowels wad em up loosely, pour in some vegatable oil and you have a long burning fire source that will not explode and is extremely hard for wind to put out. the oil soaked paper towel acts as a wick and there is no paper ash to fly around and about. makes starting bbq pits campfires and fireplaces super safe. well as safe as starting fires can be. it will keep your exploits out of topics like these :)
 

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Ok, this is coming from a person who just ordered a boat with an I/O motor. I have little experience with OB boats only. I assume someone will show or explain to me the proper way to start a boat and use the blower before I go out the first time. I've only vague information on this and don't want to kill my family. You can bet I'll be reading the owner's manual on this one. Glad this topic was posted. Answers my question on how important is it to use the blower on an I/O equipped boat.
 

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Ok, this is coming from a person who just ordered a boat with an I/O motor. I have little experience with OB boats only. I assume someone will show or explain to me the proper way to start a boat and use the blower before I go out the first time. I've only vague information on this and don't want to kill my family. You can bet I'll be reading the owner's manual on this one. Glad this topic was posted. Answers my question on how important is it to use the blower on an I/O equipped boat.

Learning your new boat isnt a family affair. I would take time and perhaps an experienced boater with you to learn everything from prep, launch, and all areas of opperation. This way when you do take the family out you will have some comfort in knowing what you are doing.
A boater safty course would be very wise if have never boated, dont be shy about learning from the pro's or by mistake.
 

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Ya know, with all of the advances in boating technology, one would think this would be a problem of the past. It's now almost 2010 and we're still blowing up boats at the dock. -Ken

And it will continue as long as they let people buy the floating bombs we know as I/Os. :D:D
 

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Ok, this is coming from a person who just ordered a boat with an I/O motor. I have little experience with OB boats only. I assume someone will show or explain to me the proper way to start a boat and use the blower before I go out the first time. I've only vague information on this and don't want to kill my family. You can bet I'll be reading the owner's manual on this one. Glad this topic was posted. Answers my question on how important is it to use the blower on an I/O equipped boat.

If you ordered an I/O boat, I assume it will be brand new and you will be picking it up from a dealer. They should walk you through all of the operational precedures, and in this particular case, you can ask specifically about this...now that you are aware..
 

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And it will continue as long as they let people buy the floating bombs we know as I/Os. :D:D

Agreed. I am an outboard man myself and it is rare to see an outboard blow up like that...
 

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Re: Another gas fumes boat fire

Ok, this is coming from a person who just ordered a boat with an I/O motor. I have little experience with OB boats only. I assume someone will show or explain to me the proper way to start a boat and use the blower before I go out the first time. I've only vague information on this and don't want to kill my family. You can bet I'll be reading the owner's manual on this one. Glad this topic was posted. Answers my question on how important is it to use the blower on an I/O equipped boat.

Where do you live? I'm sure if there is someone around here local to your area you could convince them to give you the rundown on boating safety and how to launch and retrieve. Believe me it's much better to have someone show you what not to do than learn from experience (or lack thereof).
 

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Keep right on feeling safe on your outboard. You may think that you don't have to worry about gas fumes .....

(Take a look at where the fuel tanks and wiring are ......)

From the NBS Sportfishing Board:

** NBS MEMBER Rescues Couple after BOAT EXPLOSION - (new article!) **

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There is obviously much more to this story than in the article and than I know and will tell, but on Sunday, my brother Dave ("ifish" on here) was fluking the south shore when ~300 yards away he heard a deep "THUD"......turned around only to see what looked like a small skiff nearby.

He raced over to find the console had blown right off the deck of the boat (an ~18' Sea Hunt CC with an outboard). There was a couple aboard, and both were injured, and a small fire was still going on the boat. Long story short, they were transferred to his Formula and he moved away a safe distance in case of another explosion, there still being fuel on board!

Coast Guard was called, and a private Paramedic that was out fishing also showed up, etc etc.......turned into quite the rescue operation in no time, ending with him having 10 people and all sorts of medical equipment on board, and transporting them back in to Pt. Judith Station under CG escort. (Airlift was going to take too long and they didn't have a backboard to move the wife to another boat.)

When the below article was printed, the wife was apparently still in the hospital but in fair condition, hopefully both will be fine!

KUDOS TO DAVE AND HIS "CREW" IN THE PROMPT RESPONSE AND SAFE EVACUATION OF THE COUPLE FROM THEIR BURNING BOAT, AND TO ALL WHO ASSISTED FROM THAT POINT ON

**** BTW, to any who think bilge explosions are not a concern on an outboard boat, think again where your fuel tank is and where all your wiring is run, etc. Engines are not the only "ignition source"! This was not an old boat!

If there's a gas tank on board and you're not careful, it can blow up no matter what kind of motor you have.
 

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If you ordered an I/O boat, I assume it will be brand new and you will be picking it up from a dealer. They should walk you through all of the operational precedures, and in this particular case, you can ask specifically about this...now that you are aware..

I'm really glad I found this site. I originally found iboats while searching for ways to repair the starcraft aluminum boat I ended up trading in (last Saturday) on the new boat. I got detailed info. specific to my boat on how to repair. I decided against it even though I could've handled the job. Now I get this info on how to avoid blowing up the new one. You're right, the dealer said they will walk me through everything. I will be interested to see if they breeze over the explosion hazard or if they emphasize it.
My boating experience is limited to using my father-in-law's boat for the last 10 or so summers, outboard motors only. I bought my first boat late July primarily because my wife's dad is getting to the point where he may not be able to live at the lake. I also really love my time on the water and the kids are just as nuts as I am. Wife figures it keeps me off my motorcycle which she's not real fond of. Anyway back to my point. I will make damn sure I know how to deal with gas fumes before I get in the boat. Thanks again for more extremely useful information for a new boater.
 

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The only time I have seen a (gasoline) boat fire put out successfully by a non-professional is with a 10 lb+ CO2 fire extinguisher, emptied all at once into the engine compartment. One shot, keep it going until the extinguisher's empty. Those 2 lb dry chemical ones are a joke for a hot gasoline fire. They do nothing to cool off the temperature, so the fire just flashes up again.
 
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