Another oil question

mojokim

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Does anyone know if there is really a differnce between automotive and motorcycle specific oils? The manufacturers claim special additives for wet clutches in the Moto oil, but I know folks that have but over 100k miles on bikes using auto oil with no ill effects. The moto oil costs anywhere from 1-4 times as much as acomparable auto oil, dino or synth. If it is needed I don't mind spending it, but I don't want to waste my money. Many people also run Diesel oil, Rotella or Delo, with good results. I just want a good quality oil that will protect my motor without breaking the bank. Thanks.
 

petryshyn

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Re: Another oil question

Hi<br />One consideration is to stay away from "Tungsten" "Zinc" and "wear reducing" additives. Centrifugal clutches will slip from these, especially in high torque units like trikes and quads. . .
 

mojokim

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Re: Another oil question

I read something about that. Apparently the auto oils that are considered energy conserving have higher quantites of these additives.
 

FLATHEAD

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Re: Another oil question

Interesting question.I know I would not trust an automotive oil in my aircolled bikes. But I might be all wet on this. Lets see what the lube dude says.
 

LubeDude

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Re: Another oil question

Motor cycle oils use no friction modifiers, (Which cause cluch slipping) but they do have a heavy dose of ZDDP, (Which is Zink) Which does not!
 

mojokim

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Re: Another oil question

Found this on another site. FYI<br /><br />Can heavy-duty diesel oil be used in motorcycles?<br /><br />Motorcycle gasoline engines may not seem in the same league as the big displacement diesel engine under your hood, but they share some of the same lubrication requirements. So yes, in many cases, a premium heavy-duty universal oil capable of serving both diesel and gasoline engines is the best choice for your bike. <br />The high power-to-displacement ratio of a motorcycle engine means rod and main bearings are subjected to loads that are not normally found in passenger car engines. The valve train is also highly loaded, and requires extreme pressure boundary lubrication. The same can be said about gears in the transmission, which are normally lubricated by engine oil. Oil additives containing phosphorus protect these highly loaded extreme pressure areas (in both gasoline and diesel engines). Because diesel engines have higher loading of components, more of the phosphorus-containing additive is present than in typical passenger car oils. And with advanced catalyst systems for gasoline engines, the phosphorus content has been declining in passenger car oils. <br /><br />Since many bike engines are air-cooled, and tend to be operated at high power outputs and speeds, their lubricating oil needs to be more resistant to high temperature oxidation. That’s another advantage of a premium universal oil. Another thing you want in your motorcycle is oil that has excellent viscosity control, so that with use it retains high temperature viscosity. Some multiviscosity grade passenger car oils, subjected to extreme loads, can quickly thin out. Their viscosity can drop to the next lower grade. <br /><br />One last thing to consider is whether oil contains friction modifier additives. For improved fuel economy, most passenger car oils have such an additive. But the wet clutch in your bike doesn’t perform right with friction modifiers. Universal engine oils don’t have friction modifiers. <br /><br />Be careful choosing diesel oils. Not all of them are universal. In addition to the API Service Category CI-4 for diesels, look for API Service Category SL. <br /><br />Premium universal oils like Shell ROTELLA® T Multigrade are formulated for heavy-duty performance, and your bike engine has some heavy-duty challenges for oil. For optimum performance, be sure your oil is up to the challenge.
 

roscoe

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Re: Another oil question

I can speak from experience on this one.<br />I noticed a very noticable difference as soon as I switched from auto oils, to Spectro Golden 4.<br /><br />THe auto oils break down real fast in the gearbox, and it would snap and clunk, getting worse after about 800 miles. The worst offender was my Goldwing, which was almost undrivable after 1000 miles. The least affected was my BMW, but it got the good stuff anyway. <br /><br />"OIL SHEAR" is what the experts call it, when the oil breaks down into smaller than normal sized pieces.
 
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