Another piston to cylinder clearance thread

MrMarty51

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I have spent the last hour and a half searching threads and posts to try and find what the proper clearance should be between the cylinder walls and the piston.
the book does not say a word about what it should be.
I did take the spec bore diameter from the book, for both the major and the minor piston diameters and the major difference was .006 and on the minor difference was .008. The shop I took the block and pistons too said that they would like an actual spec number, and, I would not want a piston too tight, nor, a piston too loose.
I thought that somewhere out there on the internet there would be a generalized chart for a two stroke water cooled engine that would list a chart that would show x amount of clearance for each inch, or MM of bore.
this is on a 1992 70 HP Force engine.
YUP it is the same engine. My son decided to do a rebuild on this engine, run it for a few years, until He gets a little more financially situated then He wants to go with a 75 horse four stroke of some manor brand.
can anyone please help to clear up these doubts.
 

Scott Danforth

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have you looked in the factory service manual that calls this out?
 

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Those pistons are tapered even when new.----Where are you measuring on the piston to calculate the clearance ?
 

MrMarty51

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Those pistons are tapered even when new.----Where are you measuring on the piston to calculate the clearance ?
Yeah, when I measured the pistons the book calls for measuring .150 inches ( 3.81 ) mm from the bottom of the piston.
but, trying to determine what the piston to cylinder fit should be, i took the spec from the book of what the original, standard bore is of 3.375 and subtracted from it what the standard piston diameter is of, major diameter of 3.308 and suntracted it from the bore diameter and it is .006.
major diameter is taken 90* off from the wristpin.
then I took the minor piston diameter, thats the dia. In line with the wrist pin, of 3.304 and subtracted that from the standard bore and that number comes out to be .008 inches.
now, I am trying to determine, from the specifications of the standard bore to the specifications of the standard piston just what the piston to cylinder clearance should be. Would it be the .008 or, the .006 or, something else completely different than these two numbers ?
 

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Bore of 3.375 and you subtract 3.308 gets you what clearance ????-----Just check your math / numbers again !!!
 

MrMarty51

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Bore of 3.375 and you subtract 3.308 gets you what clearance ????-----Just check your math / numbers again !!!
Oh darn.
I looked at the wrong year. The major for the 92 year is 3.369 and the minor measure is 3.367.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
So with the proper numbers displayed it does come out to the major difference of .006 and the minor difference of .008.
thank You guys for being so understanding and patient.
Martin
 

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there is no specification listed for the piston to cylinder clearance. That is in the Clymers manual. I dont have an actual Force workshop manual.

a clymer manual doesnt even make good toilet paper. its missing 3/4 of the proper information and the other 1/4 is incorrect.
 

MrMarty51

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a clymer manual doesnt even make good toilet paper. its missing 3/4 of the proper information and the other 1/4 is incorrect.

Yup, its all I have to go on for now. Maybe I will hit up the bay and see if I can find an actual factory manual.
 

MrMarty51

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I did find this in another search. I am going to go with the personal water craft spec for the clearance. It seems to make the most sense to Me, being that the bore is listed at 80 to 82 MM range and the clearance is at .004 to .0045 and the figured clearance between the major bore clearance is .006, I will have the shop bore and fit the pistons to that spec. If it is too tight and seizes a piston, then, I’ll het another set of pistons and go with the .008 clearance.
Thank You all for the responses and if anyone has anh suggestions please post them o
 

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