Any explanation for this????

tater76

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Hello everybody, just wondering if this has ever happened to anyone else, and what causes the gasket to fail. I bought the 79 85hp for $100 knowing that the comp on #1 was 75. I pulled the head only to find no folded rings, no damage at all. Thats when I saw the gasket. What would cause this??JIMCAROLYNEBAY 205.jpgJIMCAROLYNEBAY 206.jpg

Guess I won't be parting this one out :)
 

JB

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Re: Any explanation for this????

Could have been an overheat that very slightly warped the head, Tater. Before you put her back together with a new gasket be sure both the head and the block are perfectly flat.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Any explanation for this????

First understand that the same gasket is used for the small bore 3.3125 engines and the big bore 3.375 engines and is slightly larger in inside diameter than the big bore size. The steel sealing ring is "U" shaped in cross section and is supported by the fiber portion of the head gasket--(actually fiber over steel in some cases--depends upon the manufacturer).

Your engine is small bore.

Production tolerances allow the gasket to seat not perfectly centered on the block and head mating surfaces. This coupled with gasket aging allowing improper support of the steel ring or slight corrosion on the metal the ring is compressed against, or incorrect head bolt torque, or overheating will allow combustion pressure to either leak past the sealing ring eventually destroying it and the gasket support inside it, or blow by and quickly totally destroy the ring at that point.

Either way, one cylinder will lose compression while not suffering any damage.

When you replace the gasket, torque in three stages to 225 INCH pounds. After running the engine for about 1/2 hour (or more) let cool and re-torque to 225. Yes, many times the gasket will compress a little under heat and need the re-torque. Old re-used gaskets are fully compressed and usually don't need re-torquing.
 

tater76

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Re: Any explanation for this????

I never thought of it being overheated JB? I will go put a straight edge on it before I go any further. I guess this was a good buy minus the Magnapower ignition :( Thanks again for the answers.
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: Any explanation for this????

Picking up sand or mud and not flushing after use.
The garbage sets and a hot spot can occour.
The bolts not tourqed right(my guess).
Salt water can cause that too.
 

tater76

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Re: Any explanation for this????

Jerry.. I think you are right. The more I look at the gasket and the head, it looks as if there are some deposits in that lower corner. All the bolts were very tight, but at some point it had a cylinder bored over as this info is written on the block in sharpie. I am guessing that deposits and torque were the main issue here. I want to replace the gasket and test, but just wanted a clear idea of why this would happen so I could prevent it in the future. Thanks for all the input :)
 

halfmoa

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Re: Any explanation for this????

I never thought of it being overheated JB? I will go put a straight edge on it before I go any further. I guess this was a good buy minus the Magnapower ignition :( Thanks again for the answers.

I don't mean to insult you but I thought I'd add to JB's post. Make sure you use a REAL straight edge, not a level or square. I went over to a friend's house one day and he was using a carpenter's square and feeler gauges to check a head for flatness. He was half right in his tool choices.:rolleyes: Thank god it was only a lawnmower head!
 

stubtail

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Re: Any explanation for this????

I have a 105 with a head gasket that had suffered the same fate. In that instance, it appeared that the breach in the gasket was caused by exfoliation corrosion of the aluminum adjacent to the cylinder sleeve reducing the contact area of the gasket. With a little misalignment of the gasket, the metal band was almost completely outside the steel sleeve, and with the aluminum broken away there was nothing for the gasket to crush against. That block had suffered other serious health issues and is currently residing in a pine box!
 

tater76

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Re: Any explanation for this????

I wonder if the po reused the gasket during the rebuild? anyway, I installed a new one and did a comp test and it holds a steady 130! I got one heck of a deal for $100 bucks :)
 
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