any good motor hull set up guys on here

dannyman3

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i have a bass boat with 150 what ive had trubble with in da past was china walking at hi speeds ive tried everthing my pad has a v it isnt flat i was told that was the prob so im just gonna keep it under the speed where it starts to do that what i need help with on the motor ive moved the motor up and down i just want to have it set up rite do i just keep moving the jackplate up till the motor will show signs of prop slip on turns and hole shot ive leveled the cavation plate to the low part of the v on the pad so just fine tune it up till those signs show for better fuel runs one more thing has anyone run the stingray hydrofoil 3 sr i was gonna get one to try i was told to run the smart tabs but dont want to drill holes in my hull this is a nice bass boat not ski thanks to all that has helped in the past
 

CATransplant

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

In the other thread you started on this topic, you provided more information about the boat and your setup. Without that information, there's not a lot we can do to help you, and you already have a thread on this problem.

Basically, you're pushing the boat to the speed where it becomes unstable and starts chine walking. It's a common fault of bass boats. The answer is to slow down to a speed where chine walking doesn't occur.

It's a boat design issue. You can fiddle your outboard set up all you like, but when the boat reaches the speed at which it becomes unstable, it'll chine walk. So, slow down a little.

BTW, what is the Max HP listed on that bass boat's ratings tag? Let's start with that.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

I am going to bust your bubble...... I think you have a Suzuki based on your other threads..... so I removed this post from the Johnson/Evinrude repair forum.

The best two ways I know of to prevent the chine walking is to either slow down a bit or the better way is to install trim tabs. I spoke with a fellow iboater and the only way he can maintain control of his fishing boat is with trim tabs set at a 60 lb down pressure. Since you do not want to drill holes I guess slowing down is your only option. A hydrofoil will not help the situation.

Just how many different threads and how many times are you going to ask the same question??

What is the answer you would like to get? It has been obvious that all of the answer's you have received have not been good enough.

here:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=387710 or here

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=386652 or here

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=386247 or here

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=385858 or here

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=386260 or this current one.

Please you have a Suzuki so please post in the right place which is not the Johnson/Evinrude repair outboard.
 

dannyman3

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

just for you info this new post wasnt the same as the others and really its guys like you that make this site go bad you need not worry so much what others are doing and mind your own buisness by the way this new post was becase i moved the motor so much i was trying to get it set back and ask do i need to set it to where it just before starts to slip in turns it didnt have anything to do with chinawalking walking as that was what the others was for dont worry ill get it i dont need your help you must not have much of a life worring what others are doing thanks for removing my post that did not have anything to do with others post thanks
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

just for you info this new post wasnt the same as the others and really its guys like you that make this site go bad you need not worry so much what others are doing and mind your own buisness by the way this new post was becase i moved the motor so much i was trying to get it set back and ask do i need to set it to where it just before starts to slip in turns it didnt have anything to do with chinawalking walking as that was what the others was for dont worry ill get it i dont need your help you must not have much of a life worring what others are doing thanks for removing my post that did not have anything to do with others post thanks

WOW!---Not too much else to say about this.
 

CATransplant

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

just for you info this new post wasnt the same as the others and really its guys like you that make this site go bad you need not worry so much what others are doing and mind your own buisness by the way this new post was becase i moved the motor so much i was trying to get it set back and ask do i need to set it to where it just before starts to slip in turns it didnt have anything to do with chinawalking walking as that was what the others was for dont worry ill get it i dont need your help you must not have much of a life worring what others are doing thanks for removing my post that did not have anything to do with others post thanks

Hmm....

Actually, you do need the help of the people on this forum, or you wouldn't be here. The suggestions that people are giving you are only aimed at helping you get the help you need. But, you're rejecting that help by telling people to mind their own business and not to suggest how you can get better answers.

It's almost impossible to give you help if you post multiple threads in different forums on this forum. It's almost impossible if you don't provide the information about your boat and outboard in every thread you start. It's almost impossible if you don't try to write your questions in a way people can clearly understand.

I've looked at all the threads you've started, and still don't understand exactly what it is you're trying to find out. That seems to change from thread to thread. It's also harder because you run all your sentences together without punctuation or capitalization at the beginning of the sentence.

I think your main problem is trying to find out how to go as fast as you possibly can without having your boat chine walk. But, it's really hard to have to go from one thread to another to figure out what you've already done and what you haven't done.

You say you're setting up the boat for bass tournaments. You said it's a bass boat. Well, I've watched a lot of bass tournament shows, and I've seen a lot of bass boats chine walking when they're pushed too fast for the boat's design and conditions on the water. What do those pros do? They slow down until the chine walking stops is what they do. That's what you need to do. Keep messing with your outboard's height and trim to get the best compromise between hole shot and maximum speed without the chine walking, then concentrate on your fishing.

The difference between 50 mph and 55 or 60 mph isn't going to spell the difference between placing well in the tournament and doing badly. That's going to depend on your fishing skills and ability to understand the water you're on.

I don't know if you're already fishing tournaments or not, but it sure isn't like what you see on TV. The guys who win don't cast three times then run and gun. They figure out the best pattern for the day, then settle in to work the water. They move sometimes, but that's not what catches the fish. It's the slow, hard work of fishing that wins tournaments.

You'll do a lot better by slowing down, thinking about what it is you want, then making sure you have all the tools you need to get what you want. That's true in bass fishing and in asking advice on a forum like this one. You've been running and gunning all over the place here. Time to slow down, post everything you can about your boat and outboard and what you've done to try to solve your problem. Tell us exactly what your goal is. Then, listen to what people suggest. Not all the suggestions will be the right ones, but there will be a lot of people trying very hard to help you, as long as you do your part.

A lot of the people who can help you with your situation aren't bothering to respond to your posts. Everyone here is a volunteer. Nobody's paid. So, you're asking people to give you something for nothing. It stands to reason that you'd do everything you could to help them. If you don't do that, nobody will help. It's that simple.

It's worth thinking about...
 

Bob_VT

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

No posts were removed and you should thank me for all the links to your previous posts. People have given you great advice, qualified advice and very accurate advice.

Chinawalking is a term that you have made up...... and I apologize on behalf of everyone who tried to answer the problem as chine walking!

I really do not care what you do just do not hurt anyone in the process.
 

4JawChuck

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Re: any good motor hull set up guys on here

Chine walking is usually not something you can tune out with add-ons or hull changes, its something you need to learn to control with small opposite steering inputs.

That being said there are setup issues that will make it worse, you need tight steering (dual rack and pinion or hydraulic) and rigid motor mounts so the engine does not move around on the transom. Sometimes all it takes is the lower mounts being rigid...other setups require all mounts being rigid. There is also the weight balance issue to consider, load in the boat can make things better or worse...you need to experiment to find out what works for your boat.

Its looseness or movement of the motor in relation to the hull which makes the problem impossible to drive through, there is a lot of leverage with the lower unit in the water and as the hull falls from side to side it winds up the mounts causing a whipping effect that only solid mounts will solve in most cases.

Really fast boats run short lowers and a surfacing prop which lowers the leverage effect of the lower in the water, not everyone likes a surfacing prop for general use...it can be a pain. Usually you will need more setback with a surfacing prop to balance the weight on the bow too.

There are some forums where you can get speed related advice, Bass Boat Central (BBC), Fast Boats Canada (FBC), Scream & Fly (S&F) are all forums where you can get advice on how to tune your boat and learn the techniques to drive the boat effectively at high speed. Not all of these forums will be PG or politically neutral...view at your own discretion.

Here are some links which may help you understand the issue;

http://www.bassboatcentral.com/new_page_2.htm

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPage?mode=article&objectID=29986&storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1

Do some research and relax, lots of guys here with experience will chime in with advice. In general this is not the forum for guys who own high performance boats looking to go fast as it is primarily focused on general usage inside the box which is where 99% of the boat owning public lives.
 
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