arc-over issue solved

bfi

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Just wanted to post final (I hope) results of motor ressurection project started some time ago. Let me be sure to say it has been a humbling experience yet a learning experience as well. This motor is a 1976 70 H.P. evinrude that most likely never ever ran properly till about 1 week ago. This motor now belongs to my neighbor after being passed down a couple of times from those who ran out of hair to pull out. This project began maybe 1 yr. ago with the motor on a test stand and not mounted on a boat. My neighbor/friends uncle gave him this motor for free if he could get it running type of situation. We both already had boats w/ running outboards so it was something to piddle with when we felt like it. We made a test stand to mount it on and went thru the carbs put it on the flusher and what do you know it fired right up. At that point we thought wow nothing to it. So my friend in thinking he had a good low hours old motor sold his good running rig so he could buy a brand new hull and trailer for this really clean old motor. Bought the boat mounted up the old 70 and drug it down to the water to find out things were not exactly what we thought they were with a little back pressure and under real running conditions. After a lot of head scratching, trouble shooting, searching around on this site, a quadzillion water trials this old motor finally, finally, finally runs as it should. Major issue #1 was fuel related and thanks to Walter Brown here on this site we got thru it and were able to move on to the next major issue. Someone here mentioned there might have been a factory recall on the carbs on this model and Mr. Brown chimed in and was kind enough to send us the actual service buletin on how to correct the problem by enlarging the orifices in the carbs. After the completion of this procedure the performance was dramatically improved enough to run the boat. Upon running the boat the next issue reared it's ugly head. For whatever reason the spark at the plugs would arc-over intermittently. After wasting a lot of time and money trying several other options someone here recommended buying NGK boots from a cycle shop so eventually after getting all the unnecessary stuff out of our system a wopping $7.50 was spent on three boots and what do you know problem solved--again thanks to knowledge found here on this site. We both had mental struggles being why should we have to use this type of boot "it was made to run with the factory boots" but hey all I can tell you is we did what was recommended and the results spoke for themselves. But yet, I still have one question pertaining to this issue of which I stumbled across some imfo that got me to pondering again. I have seen mention that cd ignitions don't like maintanence free batteries. Could an oversized mantance free battery cause some sort of over voltage issue at the plugs causing it to arc-over? As it is as stated the boat runs fine with the NGK resistor boots BUT being the curious type I still want to know why(forgive me I can't help myself) it should be necessary to use them. In closing, many thanks to all here who have helped on this project by sharing your real world(not found in any manual or book) hands on experience .

Sincerely and most gratefully yours, John D.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: arc-over issue solved

If you mean arcing from underneath the spark plug boots when you say "arc-over," one of the most common reasons for this is "carbon trails." I had the same problem with my Johnson 65hp motor, which I couldn't figure out at first because the boots were very tight on the plugs. My local OMC/Bombardier dealer tipped me off to the fact that often, all you have to do is to pull the boots and clean the plugs, so that you now longer see what looks like black dirt on the porcelin insulators.

That said, I will probably buy solid core plug wires with pre-made boots just because the stock units are a pain. For as much as parts cost these days, you would think that you wouldn't have to go through all the nonsense to fasten the spiral clip to the wire, without it wanting to come apart all of the time, and then stuff it into the boot. On top of this, you end up with something that wants to turn out of position inside of the boot everytime you remove it from the plug.
 

MikDee

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Re: arc-over issue solved

IMO, Sometimes the path to ground for the spark is easier on the outside surface of the motor, then firing inside the motor. Sometimes you need to run resistor plugs, or resistor wires, to keep the spark inside the combustion chamber, Don't ask me why? I just know from experience that it works. One issue is, make sure your plugs don't have any oil, grease, or fingerprints, on the porcelin, (I usually wipe the porcelin off with alcohol, before I put the boot on) aside from that, I don't know if you're motor requires resistor plugs usually there's an "R" in the spark plug number as orig, equip. if it does? Or, regular non-resistor plugs, with resistor wires? but, either way, having one or the other usually works,,, actually having both might be a problem also? I'm not sure.
 

F_R

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Re: arc-over issue solved

The battery, maint-free or otherwise, has nothing at all to do with the ignition system. In fact the ignition system isn't even connected to the battery, being self-powered by separate coils on the stator.

However, the maint-free battery might not be happy with the unregulated charging system. That's a separate topic.
 

Lakester

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Re: arc-over issue solved

Just wanted to post final (I hope) results of motor ressurection project started some time ago. Major issue #1 was fuel related and thanks to Walter Brown here on this site we got thru it and were able to move on to the next major issue. John D.


hello john,

could u summerize what the fuel issue was in prob #1?

thanks :)

regards
lakester :cool:
 

ezeke

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Re: arc-over issue solved

To bfi: The feedback is invaluable and I, for one, could not be more pleased at your success with this motor. Thank you for sharing the results.
 

bfi

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Re: arc-over issue solved

As per the fuel issue stated as major problem#1. It had to do with resizing the tiny little orifices located behind the lead plugs on each of the carbs. You would remove the carbs, take a sharp awl or screwdriver then punch through the plugs and yank them out to gain access to the port. Once gaining access you will see the three tiny holes that in this case had to be enlarged a tad each(the exact drill index #'s I can't quote from memory. The bottom line is this richens it up at idle and midrange. As the motor stood in it's original state it would not idle properly unless you increased the rpms to about 1000 to 1200 and it would almost always stumble when throtled up. Top end was ok or at least a lot better than the low and midrange but having the stars line up in the heavens was pretty much necessary to be able to get in gear without it dying and from low to mid without stumbling (choking would sometimes help) and being able to even get to top end was an art form in itself. Since messing around with this old motor we have ran across a few folks who owned (notice past tense) 70 hps from the 75 and 76 range and have since gotten rid of them or they crapped out due to leaning out. One fellow said he had to have his rebuilt twice due to pistons burning up and the dealer could offer no explaination but it was in need of a rebuid in both cases. Of coarse, he ditched it after it was halfway running again. As stated in my original thread this paticular motor was given up on early in it's life because the folks got tired of wasting there money by throwing money at a dead horse so to speak. I have the exact info on the carb mods saved and will access it and type it up here if you are interested. In closing, if anybody is at the place in there lives where they think they know it all, find a sleepy old boat motor that needs to be awakened it will change your perspective--guaranteed!!!

Many thanks again, humbly yours, John D.
 

ezeke

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Re: arc-over issue solved

I still have the Service Bulletin that I sent to you in pdf format.

If anyone else would like it, leave your email address in a PM and I will send it. Please don't post email addresses in this thread.
 

Silvertip

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Re: arc-over issue solved

It was me that recommended the NGK spark plug boots and yes -- the resistor should be removed or the non-resistor style used. Both are available at a cycle shop. Ignition systems are designed around resistor or non-resistor systems so although the engine appears to be running ok, I would read the plugs frequently, especially after a wide open throttle run to ensure they are a nice light tan.
 

Lakester

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Re: arc-over issue solved

hello bfi~

oic, thanks for the explanation. i agree with u about working on an outboard to humble u and/or change perspective... no matter how much mechanical exp one has. one can learn it quickly, but it is a unique combination of parts.

regards
lakester :cool:
 
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