Are Force motors obsolete?

Buds Dad

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Im trying to find a couple of parts (tilt and trim stuff) for an 1986 125hp and noticed alot of parts are no longer available.I was wondering if there was a company making parts for these motors or are Force parts that should be able to be rebuilt junk if they go bad?
 

steelespike

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

I am surely a Force outsider but Mercury stopped producing Force parts in 2002.Of course any Merc shared parts are still around.<br /> I think the Questioned reputation,limited appeal and poor resale value of Chryslr/Force motors would limit the interest of companies that might rebuild or manufacture their parts.<br />When Chrysler became Force I had high hopes they would succeed.Unfortunately my very limited expierence with their motors indicated they were course and unreliable.<br />Our neighbor on the river after struggling for years with an Eska powered junky aluminum boat finally saved enough for a new Force 85 on a new aluminum boat.They struggled one season and gave it up for a small used Mercruiser 17 footer.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

Prestolite made the pumps. You can get parts thru other manufacturers that also used Prestolite pumps. You'll find them thru Johnson/Evinrude dealers. Mercury, in their infinite wisdom :rolleyes: , got into a feud with Prestolite and Prestolite told them to f... well, you know. ;) So parts for those units are limited to those other than the pump as far as getting anything from a Merc dealer goes.<br /><br />Prestolite also made the ignition system in the mid 80s to early 90s. I think you know where this is going. Except that nobody else used Prestolite ignition. :( <br /><br />Those, blocks, cranks, gearcases, and decals are the sticky parts to find new. Most of the rest can be had. For the most part, the parts you can't get are ones you wouldn't get anymore anyhow. Most would consider Forces as throwaway motors now. Run it til it pukes and replace it.
 

RRitt

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

it all depends what you want. like any engine, if you take care of it then force should last almost forever. like any engine, if you don't take care of it then you need to know a good mechanic.<br /><br />If you are a Do It Yourself type then force are great because <br />1) the are simple, like a big lawnmower engine<br />2) many of the parts are based on automotive industry stardard or easily machineable. The engine comes from a time when design engineers frowned upon proprietary parts. Modern engines embrace proprietary parts as a way of creating revenue and profit.<br />3) for now, good used parts are dirt cheap on Ebay because so many people are parting out their engines when they blow a piston.<br /><br />on the other hand, force are bad if you want a motor that you can just drive until something goes wrong and then pay someone else to fix it.<br />1) the mechanic won't be that familiar with force because it's not that common. He won't want to work on it because most of the ones he does see are way old and full of seized bolts. Mechanics usually get x hours of labor for a certain job based on book rates. If they finish early, then it's free money. If it takes too long, then it's lost time. If they do work on a force, it will be straight time rather than book but the generally accepted book still creates a glass ceiling of how many hours they can charge. Just one or two seized bolts can put them into a lose/lose situation. The net result is that they'd rather fix a yammaha than your force and they will tend to cut corners and do sloppy work.<br /><br />2) if the machanic needs any parts then he isn't going to waste time searching the internet for a good price. He is going to order it from merc and charge you full list. Mercury is hyper-expensive on force parts. For example - a $3 industry standard oil seal with SS casing will cost you $3 from a seal supply house .... $12 from mercury. A $4 industry standard square bridge rectifier will cost you $4 from an electronics supply house and $35 from mercury. Etc, etc, etc.<br /><br /><br />So - it depends what you want. Dirt cheap DIY maintenance or reasonably priced marina maintenance? Force is great for one and terrible for the other.
 

Realgun

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

I love my mower engine. It Starts and works. It breaks I fix it. If it breaks real bad I replace it. Whats to know? :) <br /><br />Actually RRitt is right about Force. They are pretty bullet proof but not idiot proof.<br /><br />If you replace the parts your supposed to every two years then your fine.<br /><br />IE water pump, Fuel pump, fuel bulb and Filter.<br /><br />Every year check for fishing line around prop shaft and change the gear oil. Change plugs too. They will foul if you idle a lot so this may need to be done more often, however if you adjust the idle mixture just right they will not foul at all but to much and you will be buying another motor.<br /><br />Every year if you put it away for the winter, I don't, winterize it.<br /><br />Other than those minor things it will last forever- <br /><br />>>>UNLESS YOU FORGET TO MIX THE OIL AND GAS!<<<
 

Realgun

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

OH yes they are obsolete but they still work pretty good.
 

Matt Harper

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

From a boating newbies perspective - there clearly is a lot of snobbery associated with ones equipment - motors in particular. The lake I use is in a relatively swanky neighborhood (lots of Nautiques etc) and I've had a few a-holes sneer at me and make derogatory comments about my Force powered old boat. Am I hurt? Nope - I've got $2500 invested in my set-up - it floats, runs and gives my family and myself a lot of pleasure. Who knows, one day I may be in a position to throw-down $30K on a ski-boat, but in the meantime, this one suits me just fine. <br />As with every machine, preventative maintenance is everything.
 

RRitt

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

down here there's three classes of boat owners in descending order of snobbery. Those who want to be seen, those who want to take the family to the islands, and those who want to fish. Tourists generally fall into the first category and own big boats. Residents generally favor the third but have a strong presence in family boating too. In both cases the most cherished boat is 19-25' with twin outboards and shallow draw. Ironically, the snobs have reverse mojo going and don't even know it. The tourists come down here from Michigan and drive around in 42' SeaRay's thinking that they are way cool. After all, they have one of the biggest boats around. Residents snicker and think they have more money than brains. The water here is 10 miles wide and 2 feet deep. Only an idiot would try to float an aircraft carrier in a bathtub. <br /><br />Moral of the story - the biggest snobs are the people who know the least. The perfect boat is the one that works for you.
 

imported_LakeRunner

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

Hey RRitt, the sweet part is when you have to tow one of the those snobs because they forgot to see that submerged tree trunk due to the nose in the air syndrome. They just love the smell of that 50:1 mixture coming off that 2 stroke! Ha!
 

imported_LakeRunner

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

Back to the topic! Maintenance is the key, treat your motor right and it will give you many years of services. Force engines can be forgiving as long as you don't mistreat them. most important get yourself a service manual, the force one is great if you can find them. Seloc and Klymer also do a good job but tend to be more generic in approach.
 

imported_LakeRunner

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

p.s. hey RRitt, I also own a Searay 290 but it's for cruising up and down the ICW. I have a marina full maintenance package on it so I don't have to touch anything but the wheel! I tried it with my 16ft Bayliner but the wifey didn't like all the bouncing so I had to get something that didn't bounce as much.
 

RRitt

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Re: Are Force motors obsolete?

ICW. Lake Runner.<br /><br />Lake? ICW?<br /><br />where do you live?
 
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