Are press-in rubber hubs still obtainable?

Omineca

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I have an otherwise good prop that has spun its press-in rubber hub. It is a Michigan SMC prop for a short-shaft 17 spline Penta 280 leg. I can buy new props with the rubber hubs, but nowhere can I find a listing for a rubber hub. Am I looking in the wrong place, or are they unobtainable?
 

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I don't know where you're looking, but prop shops replace hubs
 

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I was planning on replacing my own hub rather than having someone else do it.
Besides, it seems that no one up here in the wilds of Canada can do it anyway. All I get is head shakes in person, or told over the phone I need to buy a new prop. I am going to buy a new prop anyway, but I'd like to refurbish the old one for a spare.
 

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you sure thats a press in hub?

Most VP AQ series props are bonded and all the DP A, B, and C series props are bonded

I know that General Propeller in Bradenton Florida is one of the very few prop shops that still re-bonds Volvo hubs. they charge about $100
 

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Thank you, Scott.
No, I am not sure. I removed the old hub and it had obviously been bonded (vulcanized?) to the splined metal hub center, but I assumed (bad word) that it would be pressed in to the prop, since I had only been able to find information on Evinrude press-in hubs.
Bonding would explain the problems I have been having in finding information! So, with this type of prop, I guess I might as well regard them as being disposable items!? A new prop will cost me somewhere around $400 to $450 by the time I get it, and the difference, considering shipping fees, customs brokerage fees etc etc would probably not make repair worthwhile.
Am I now seeing the light?
It amazes me no one makes new hard plastic-style hubs and matching props for these 280 legs. Not enough profit available to justify the tooling I guess.
 

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Not disposable, they are repairable.

You just have to send it to the appropriate prop shop
 

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I shall see if there is anyone in the PNW, since businesses there are more accustomed to dealing with western Canadian customers. But I shall also investigate your FL link, thank you.
 

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Yes they are still available. I bought a new Solace 4 blade, 13+x19 SS just this year.....at a great price.
 

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Thanks Texasmark
I know the props are easily available. It is the rubber hubs I was inquiring/enquiring about. I have a good prop with a spun hub. I was under the impression they are pressed in, but Scott above has corrected me.
I shall update once I find out how possible it is to get the prop refurbished.

Incidentally, it seems that the DPO used a glue to attempt sn amateur repair, or maybe just to sell the boat. Caveat emptor I guess.
 

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Stock VP props can be repaired by any prop shop that rehubs props
 

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Scott, I am easily confused: are there bonded and non-bonded AQ rubber hubs then? Above you say "Most VP AQ series props are bonded". Mine is an AQ280, but with a Michigan prop.

We appear to have no prop shops in western Canada, unless someone will enlighten me otherwise. We have chainsaw shops and combine shops, but as for boats I think we western Canadians just buy new ones and normally throw them away when the beer cooler quits working.
 

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Scott, I am easily confused: are there bonded and non-bonded AQ rubber hubs then? Above you say "Most VP AQ series props are bonded". Mine is an AQ280, but with a Michigan prop.

We appear to have no prop shops in western Canada, unless someone will enlighten me otherwise. We have chainsaw shops and combine shops, but as for boats I think we western Canadians just buy new ones and normally throw them away when the beer cooler quits working.
if you have a michigan prop, than contact them.

factory volvo props are bonded, and most aftermarket props are.
 

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Thanks Texasmark
I know the props are easily available. It is the rubber hubs I was inquiring/enquiring about. I have a good prop with a spun hub. I was under the impression they are pressed in, but Scott above has corrected me.
I shall update once I find out how possible it is to get the prop refurbished.

Incidentally, it seems that the DPO used a glue to attempt sn amateur repair, or maybe just to sell the boat. Caveat emptor I guess.
Back in the '50s for a period, You had Mercury and OMC. Mercury used a splined prop shaft/prop interfacing pressed in, rubber slip hub (had one of those) that would allot the prop to hit an object, break loose from the prop casting proper and upon the operator reducing the RPMs to idle, or shifting into N and back to F, the hub would reseat, allowing the operator to be on his/her way....very desirable when fishing the windward side of rip rap (where the fish are).

OMC (which I also had) had a pressed in, rubber hub with a "drive" pin connection to the prop shaft. When fishing the above hazardous environment, if you accidentally hit a rock the "drive" pin would no longer drive, but "shear", hence the name we gave them...."shear pins". I guarantee you this design would leave you in "harms way" big time. The rubber hub may or may not have slipped in the process...I don't know.

I do know that on lower hp engines brass was the material for that pin and would shear. Dad's engine was a 10 hp Scott Attwater and on the tiller handle was an OEM installed, rubber gadget containing 2 cotter pins for the prop nut and 2 shear pins for the prop shaft......what does that tell you?

I do recall instances where I learned/saw that the brass was replaced with SS so as to remain a drive pin, and not shear.....maybe for the larger engines, like the Fat 50. Well in that instance the hub would have to slip and reseat like the Mercury hub to accomplish the desired engine damage saving function.
 

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Thanks for that interesting post, Texasmark. For some reason I only just saw it. I don't think my rubber hub was meant to reseat, but it sounds like a great idea. It would seem to be fairly simple to design a spring-type clutch within the hub or leg, but I'm no engineer so there must be a reason why it has not happened.
Final update: I bought a new Penta prop from some very friendly and helpful people at The Prop Shop, in Mukilteo WA. Apparently they would also rebuild my old prop with a new rubber hub, but the shipping logistics make that non-viable. I was informed that "any competent prop shop" should be able to do it, but I think that only applies south of the Canadian border, as we so often find.
Thanks to everyone who replied.
 

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The rubber hubs are not easy to install unless you have a press and the tapered guide.-----When you see a new hub and the hole it has to go into you might say.-----" How is that possible "
 

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I know a shop that used to rehub props.------The cost of labour and folks wanting ---" instant service " ----Means that they now have new props on the shelf.----Shop owner's wife sells them.-----Guaranteed money and most folks are happy.------Had a fellow come to me for help with a motor ( Ontario ) gear box issues on a 9.9 HP.------He said that it could not be a prop issue as he had it re-hubbed twice already.-----Ended up he ordered a " china made " prop on line and no more issues.
 

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General Propeller in Bradenton is about $100 per prop for repair, whether its a re-hub or to weld on a missing blade (missing blade on a stainless prop is a bit more)

considering a VP A, B, or C series props go for $600/pair, $500/pair, or $1500/pair respectively, spending $100/prop is cheap.
 
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