Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

supercab78

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We will be shopping for a newer boat. About how many different 4 cylinder I/O engines were made? Which ones should be avoided.
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

Volvo made a whole series of 4 bangers, but nothing since the 80's. <br /><br />The only choice now is the GM 3.0L, mercruiser and VP use the same. Unless you go diesel.<br /><br /> http://www.mercurymarine.com/3.0l_sd_-_135_hp <br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

Bring back the Iron Duke!
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

Originally posted by Boomyal:<br /> Bring back the Iron Duke!
O/K, educate this convict colonial heathen - what's an 'Iron Duke'?
 

Don S

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Uhhhh Boom, the Iron Duke is the GM 3.0L :confused:
 

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Originally posted by Don S:<br /> Uhhhh Boom, the Iron Duke is the GM 3.0L :confused:
Oh! Forgive. I'm just a Ford Guy. :p WhadooIknow?<br /><br />Seriously, I thought that motor was out of print. They'd a done well to keep it in the cars instead of these 'world' engines with the tissue paper aluminum cylinder heads. :mad:
 

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Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br />
Originally posted by Boomyal:<br /> Bring back the Iron Duke!
O/K, educate this convict colonial heathen - what's an 'Iron Duke'?
Best I can tell you from a Foooooooord perspective is that it was a GM compact car engine that worked and didn't break. I think it had an Iron head too. It was a bulletproof (I know that that is a politcally incorrect Australian comparison :p ) motor, at least in cars.<br /><br />Probably the biggest negative for them was that they had the misfortune of putting them in front of Mercury Outdrives. :p :D
 

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Not really "newer", but I think the one to avoid (unless you well know it's history) would be the Mercruiser 470, which was a Mercruiser aluminum block with a Ford iron head. The main issue was with the outboard style charging system instead of an alternator.
 

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Originally posted by hystat:<br /> Not really "newer", but I think the one to avoid (unless you well know it's history) would be the Mercruiser 470, which was a Mercruiser aluminum block with a Ford iron head. The main issue was with the outboard style charging system instead of an alternator.
Charging system aside, that sounds like one goofy combination. Aluminum block and iron cylinder head? No wonder I have such disdain for Mercury. ;)
 

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They still are good cast iron engines. All you have to do is get by the Calif. EPA BS and the engine runs great.<br />Remember my "Fairy Tale" post from a while back?<br /><br />
Let me tell you a fairy tale of a 2004, 3.0L Mercruiser engine that destroyed itself.<br />Once upon a time there was this Marine Mechanic, that shall remain nameless, that had to replace a 3.0L Mercruiser engine under warranty due to a broken valve that destroyed a cylinder wall and piston. After replacing the long block with a brand new one, the engine was very hard to start, hard to keep running till it warmed up and dieseled severely when shut off, even after idling for several minutes and not over 140° temperature, and there was absolutly no carbon buildup since it was a brand new engine.<br />The timing was spot on, and since this engine had the EST distributor was set at the proper timing per the manual and done while in the base timing mode. Still the same problems. It was obvious the engine was running too lean but with the anti tamper devise on the carb mixture screw, it was impossible to adjust it richer.<br />Knowing the lean mixture was probably the cause of the engine failure, the MM (Marine Mechanic) decided, against his better judgment, that the problem with the engine would occur again in a very short time if not prevented somehow.<br />Knowing full well that the California EPA may rain fire and damnation on him for the rest of natural born life and on into the unknown after death, the MM decided to take the matters into his own hands and remove the tamper proof cover over the idle mixture screw. He soon found this to be a very difficult task, but somehow managed to remove it without destroying the carb or the screw. (He later found it would have been much easier to order a new mixture screw and just replace it and go ahead and break the old one off.) <br />Finally after the success of removing the dreaded seal, he backed the mixture screw out approximately a quarter to a half turn. the engine then smoothed out and ran great, idled smooth and slower without dieing and was even easy to start for the first time in it's life, even cold, and never dieseled again when shut off. <br />While the MM is worried about the hereafter and the consequences of his irresponsible act against the California EPA and all the other mini EPA's of the world, along with the consequences of his complete disregard for the Mercruiser procedures outlined in his service manual, the dastardly dead was done...............<br />The customer, however, wondered why his boat now worked perfectly but the poor ole MM was unable to tell him the truth and worries to this day he will be found out and that upon passing he will be sent to the worst part of purgatory for his serious misdoings, but I will......uh, sorry about that, he will be happy in knowing that the boats engine will now live and last for many trips to the great fishing grounds of the owner.<br /><br />Please understand that this is only a fairy tale and should only be told in the proper company, and hopefully someone will not irresponsibly put this in a vault or something silly like that as it should NEVER be mentioned again as someone else may try it and also be condemned to eternal damnation of the EPA gods.<br />
 

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Excellent fairy tale Don. Good thing that California EPA does not have a smog test station for boats. :rolleyes:
 

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Bikers been yanking them damn plugs for years
 

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I'm still trying to work out if we got them 'irondukes' downunder. What CARS were they used in? Got a rough timeline (70's, 80's etc)?<br /><br />Hey boom, we build that 'world engine' here in Melbourne. Biggest piece of #$!* ever to come out of a foundry, why do you think we sent them all to you guys! :p
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

Hey Duna... that wouldn't be the mighty F@rd F@lcon engine would it? If so why did I let Ms Triton buy one??? :( :rolleyes:
 

Dunaruna

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Nope, the falcon eng is 6cyl, cast iron block/alloy head. Available in 3.9, 4.0 & 4.1 L. Falcon never had a 4cyl option, only V8.<br /><br />This 'iron duke' is 3.0L (181ci). I'm searching but can't find any aussie vehicle with that size 4 banger (they must be big pots!). Still searching........
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

The cars used the 2.5(153?). Same motor. I think they used them from somewhere in the 70's(Vega)through the 80's in the small front drivers and light pickups.
 

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Sorry Duna, I meant the 'world engine' you say is built in Melb. Never heard of it and curious as to what it is? As far as I know the biggest 4-cylinder Aussie motor was that piece of sh!t Mitsubishi 2.6 Lonsdale motor aka "the smokescreen." :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

1965 Chevy II Nova had the 2.5L
 

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The iron Duke was was also used in the 80's Buick Skylark and Pontiac Phoenix. My buddy had one that made it throughthree teenage kids and was sent to rest still running with over 250k miles.
 

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Re: Are there any good 4 cylinder I/O engines?

that "Iron Duke" of the 80's was a 100% completely different engine, GM just re-used the name because it was the same displacement....<br /><br />The original iron duke was only ever 2.5L in displacement. The 3.0 is marine and industrial only.<br />The Chevy II, and Nova used the 2.5 in the 1960's, as did some Jeeps- I believe the C5? or CJ5..not too familiar with jeeps<br /><br />The ChevyII was the place Jim Wynne first saw the engine and thought it would be good for marine...
 
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