aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

[cedarjunki]

i recently just cut out a section of the deck on my fathers 1970 nineteen....due to being waterlogged from the motor mount area being cracked for god knows how long and rotted the piece of wood for the mount...
now reading all the posts about aristocraft being all glass.........this 19 has a plywood deck all the way to the rear seats... also has a single layer plywood rotten* stringer running the whole length of the keel.....
all this plywood is not talked about or is shown in any of the brochures, it does not look as it was rebuilt before... is the so called stringer needed?? is is only glassed to the underneath of the plywood deck :/ and not to the hull...
hopefully someone who has gone through this will chime in and maybe show some pics of what theres looked like after cutting apart...


the funny thing is only about a third of the foam is watterlogged, from the transom till about a foot from the center seats thank god..
i thought i did enough research before attempting this and told my dad it should be fairly easy seing how its an all glass boat with foam used for floatation as well as the support throughout....so i convinced him to let me fix it instead of just patching and covering the motor mount like he wanted but now finding this really sucks!!
i just went through this in my glass starcraft having to glass in new stringers and deck and really wasnt fun so now i feel as i got him in much deeper than hoped for seeing how fishing is around the corner and the totally f**cked up weather here...60's, 70's now 30's again
ill try and get a few pics up soon....but id like to see a few of what others ran into... sorry about the rambling

always under cover unless on water!

 

[ziggy]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

i don't know the answer to your question. sorry.
i'm surprised to see wood too... i also am under the impression that they were mostly fiberglass boats. the wood that i've suspected is in place would be at the transom where the gimble housing attaches too. and wood under the sole for the ft. motor mount to attach to. seats have wood, dog house has a little wood. that's all i'm aware of so i'll sure be interested in hearing what you find out.

i think i'd be contacting aristocraft and see what they have to say. they will know

so does your '70 have a ski locker running full length? my '75 the ski locker runs from just in front of the engine all the way to the ft of the sole and stops before entering the under bow area.

i've seen a couple pics of cut up 19's. best i remember they didn't have wood like your pics show. so i'm clueless.

keep us updated. the more knowledge we have the better off we'll all be.. let us know what ya find out..

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

i don't know the answer to your question. sorry.
i'm surprised to see wood too... i also am under the impression that they were mostly fiberglass boats. the wood that i've suspected is in place would be at the transom where the gimble housing attaches too. and wood under the sole for the ft. motor mount to attach to. seats have wood, dog house has a little wood. that's all i'm aware of so i'll sure be interested in hearing what you find out.

i think i'd be contacting aristocraft and see what they have to say. they will know

so does your '70 have a ski locker running full length? my '75 the ski locker runs from just in front of the engine all the way to the ft of the sole and stops before entering the under bow area.

i've seen a couple pics of cut up 19's. best i remember they didn't have wood like your pics show. so i'm clueless.

keep us updated. the more knowledge we have the better off we'll all be.. let us know what ya find out..

i emailed them and got good info until i asked about all the wood then got no response!.......

there is no ski locker or front cooler in this one. that plywood stringer* runs all the way bow to transom dead center

 

[ziggy]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

i emailed them and got good info until i asked about all the wood then got no response!.......

time for a phone call. there number is on their website. i've called them a few times and someone (scott or bill i think) always answer the phone.... good luck.. i sure am curious as to what you find out..

a speculation...

it may have to do with the ski locker. i kinda thought ya might not have one. at least i thought i'd read that about the early nineteens. i could be mistaken. but i think that the '70 nineteen was the first year or maybe second after the eighteen.. i still am surprised your seeing wood and a stringer though..

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

a better shot of the seat area, the circle saw is where he put the second battery



ill get a few more pics when i get up to the boat....nothin pretty but i know we all love pics



better shot of the seat bases

modified hard top for head room..been this way since early 90's

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

i still am surprised your seeing wood and a stringer though..[/QUOTE]

me too, believe me! i mean its really not a big deal....im more than capable of repairing it, just gonna take longer and eat more money. its just being under the impression of something different.... that really sucks.
from looking i think the ski locker was introduced in 71.

dont get me wrong i will be the first to admit the nineteen is one hell of a boat!!!! handles the water beautiful!
im still curious if anyone else found something similar though..

i have a couple short vids on a nice day in ontario too..... enjoy

 

[ziggy]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

from looking i think the ski locker was introduced in 71.

there seems to be some real major difference in below the sole on the pre ski locker boats and the ones that have. my batt. is located different. i'll bet i have different ventilation routing than that one. my blower hose fits into a hole in the sole that is routed to the ski locker then aft out the ski locker to the bilge. my ft.engine mount area is different. i don't have the glass supports for the rear seats. obviously my sole is different with a molded in ski locker.
i'm gonna venture to say that the single stringer in your boat is for sole support. maybe later rectified to no wood by using the molding of the glass in the ski locker for support. obviously only speculation. no idea why there's wood in your sole. perhaps for support again??? the sole isn't near as wide with the ski locker in place and i doubt would flex as much being shorter width wise excluding the ski locker. oh, my cover over the ski locker is wood...

interesting to see the evolution of a nineteen...

love them videos. way to go man. sure got me lickin my chops for things to come i hope. like in getting out and going boating.

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

just curious.... anyone else with a nineteen found this too??

 

[GilliganBoat]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

I suspect mine is the same as yours. Its a 1970, and I've noticed that there are a few small cracks in the floor, and it isn't perfectly flat....so....I don't know why it wouldn't be perfectly flat unless there is some wood underneath that may have rotted away????

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

I suspect mine is the same as yours. Its a 1970, and I've noticed that there are a few small cracks in the floor, and it isn't perfectly flat....so....I don't know why it wouldn't be perfectly flat unless there is some wood underneath that may have rotted away????

i dont think the wood has anything to do with it being flat....after i pulled the big carpet up in the back i noticed it had like a huge bulge in the deck starting around the edge of the carpet bulging in the middle....i think what caused that in my case anyway is there was enough water in the foam that it expanded from freezing. but i didnt notice any cracks in the floor other than behind the motor mount.

 

[aristocraft]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

Your boat is a 1970 model, really the first year of true production on the nineteen. your boat is pretty much the same as every year up until 1980 except for one difference. the ski locker. because yours does not have the ski locker, it was using the floor mold from the eighteen then, it had a wood stringer up the middle to add stiffness. however there were very few of these made, and haven't seen one in a while actually. On the next year nineteen, or for that matter, just about every other nineteen you will ever see, the floor was changed and the ski locker added, this replaced the one stringer and acted as two fiberglass stringers. this is why yours is different and has it. good luck with your project.

 

[ziggy]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

sweet. now we know the facts thanks to AristoCraft. way to go. thank you.

cj. kinda cool really. ya got a rare bird there. nineteen outside, eighteen inside. very interesting and explains the differences were seeing between your nineteen and most other nineteens.... it's the evolution of the nineteen from the eighteen right before our very eyes....

 

[cedarjunki]

Re: aristocraft made all fiberglass boats (atleast thats what ive been reading)

Your boat is a 1970 model, really the first year of true production on the nineteen. your boat is pretty much the same as every year up until 1980 except for one difference. the ski locker. because yours does not have the ski locker, it was using the floor mold from the eighteen then, it had a wood stringer up the middle to add stiffness. however there were very few of these made, and haven't seen one in a while actually. On the next year nineteen, or for that matter, just about every other nineteen you will ever see, the floor was changed and the ski locker added, this replaced the one stringer and acted as two fiberglass stringers. this is why yours is different and has it. good luck with your project.

thanks for that bit of info.... just clarifies what i had been thinking about the ski locker and my ply stringer...
very rare boat indeed then.... just not sure how much longer its gonna be around, as it does take a fairly good beating compared to other boats its size and being pushed to do what a 24 footer would handle....
i would love to completely rebuild it but being its my dads ,only gets what it actually needs to be used.....seeing how ive got 2 others of my own draining my wallet its hard to help out...
i have yet to see another nineteen in this area.. but i wish some would pop up!!!


the foam should be here for this weekend.....then the fun will start :/