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[Vlad D Impeller]

GM recalls some 1.3 million models in the US, it seems reluctant to take responsibility for the faulty power steering, as the part in question was produced by a partially owned Toyota subsidiary.
GM's willingness to pass the buck could possibly further tarnish Toyota's image - or it could backfire if the affair turns into a mighty row that could involve the US and Japanese governments as well as their largest automotive groups.

 

[mphy98]

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Being a selfish American, I am not to sad to hear GM's power steering problems relate to Toyota. I am VERY PROUD that Ford was number one last month. Hope it is a trend that continues. No Government Bailout! Could we just keep all the jobs here please, get um back from Mexico. We can keep the plants running in Canada though(hypocritical ain't I) for our Canadian brothers.

 

[DaNinja]

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Being a selfish American, I am not to sad to hear GM's power steering problems relate to Toyota. I am VERY PROUD that Ford was number one last month. Hope it is a trend that continues. No Government Bailout! Could we just keep all the jobs here please, get um back from Mexico. We can keep the plants running in Canada though(hypocritical ain't I) for our Canadian brothers.

My GM and two Dodges were not built in the U.S.
I'm sure it's the same for Ford, although Ford will probably get
my next truck purchase for the bailout (non)issue alone.

 

[642mx]

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Lets get this straightened out....

Koyo Seiko merged with Toyoda Machine Works to form JTEKT. This is who built the recalled part. Toyota is just a share holder in JTEKT (about 24% of the company).

Of course our government will try to push this on somebody else... its just good business to do so... right?

 

[dingbat]

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Built by Americans at a Japanese owned the company. Something about glass houses comes to mind.

JTEKT is based in Japan but has five plants in the US. A call for comment to the company's US head office in Michigan was not returned.

JTEKT North America Inc. & Technical Center
Administration of NA steering operations
47771 Halyard Drive, Plymouth, MI 48170, USA

JTEKT Automotive Tennessee-Morristown, Inc.
Manufacture & sale of power steering pumps
5932 Commerce Boulevard, Morristown, TN 37814, USA

JTEKT Automotive Texas, LP
Manufacture of steering products
4400 Sterilite Drive, Ennis, TX 75119, USA

JTEKT Automotive Virginia, Inc.
Manufacture & sale of steering products
555 International Parkway, Daleville, VA 24083, USA

JTEKT Torsen North America, Inc.
Final assembly & sale of automotive products
2 Jet View Drive, Rochester, New York 14624, USA

 

[WIMUSKY]

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My GM and two Dodges were not built in the U.S.
I'm sure it's the same for Ford, although Ford will probably get
my next truck purchase for the bailout (non)issue alone.

My 3/4 ton Dodge was built in Mexico. The other place they're built is Canada. Hmmmmm, not in the US...

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Lets get this straightened out....

Koyo Seiko merged with Toyoda Machine Works to form JTEKT. This is who built the recalled part. Toyota is just a share holder in JTEKT (about 24% of the company).

Of course our government will try to push this on somebody else... its just good business to do so... right?

I did say "the part in question was produced by a partially owned Toyota subsidiary".

I don't think it will benefit GM in the long term to deny their responsibility in this matter, GM made the choice in choosing their suppliers, it is their responsibility to insure that the suppliers deliver the goods in accordance to their specification.
GM is not a "johnny come lately" to manufacturing and the pit-falls which it entails. Candidly speaking, it is obvious in my opinion that they dropped the ball.

 

[DaNinja]

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My 3/4 ton Dodge was built in Mexico. The other place they're built is Canada. Hmmmmm, not in the US...

I thought it was funny...
During a NASCAR conversation on another board, it was brought up that the Toyota was the only car model featured that was built in the US. Sadly true...

 

[bruceb58]

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Most of these failures aren't happening until the vehicles are reaching 30K miles. Really don't see how they dropped the ball or your agenda for that matter.

 

[puddle jumper]

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I was thinking about this today. When they went to all electric gas peddle. I also know that some companies are looking at steering and braking that are also all electric. We all have to admit that there was going to be a glitch at some point with these systems. Was there not a law that was passed that stated all safety components on all automobiles had to be mechanical.

Now saying that we also know that these mechanical systems were not full proof.

 

[DaNinja]

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Most of these failures aren't happening until the vehicles are reaching 30K miles. Really don't see how they dropped the ball or your agenda for that matter.

I'm not sure. Who is "they" or "your" assigned to?

 

[bruceb58]

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I'm not sure. Who is "they" or "your" assigned to?

Responding to Vlad.

Candidly speaking, it is obvious in my opinion that they dropped the ball.

Before any part is put into a vehicle, that part undergoes many phases...proof of concept, proof of manufacturing and miles and miles of tests in vehicles on the GM proving grounds as well as early test cars. Failures can and do happen. The supplier of the part also contracts smaller parts to other vendors.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Most of these failures aren't happening until the vehicles are reaching 30K miles. Really don't see how they dropped the ball or your agenda for that matter.

I have absolutely no personal agenda nor do i have any stake in this affair, i merely stated a personal opinion.

 

[TilliamWe]

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GM recalls some 1.3 million models in the US, it seems reluctant to take responsibility for the faulty power steering, as the part in question was produced by a partially owned Toyota subsidiary...

Are you kidding me? GM is actually trying to blame Toyota and the supplier? Shame on them. They should know better, especially since Toyota just tried the same thing, to no avail.

 

[Tim Frank]

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Most of these failures aren't happening until the vehicles are reaching 30K miles. Really don't see how they dropped the ball or your agenda for that matter.

And 30K miles is a lot? Should be well within warranty.
"They" have a recall and are doing the obfuscate, avoid, deny double-shuffle.
Recent events should be a fairly clear indication that it is a dumb strategy.

I, too, would call that dropping the ball; and I don't have an agenda, either.

What's yours?....

 

[642mx]

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I did say "the part in question was produced by a partially owned Toyota subsidiary".

Thats just how the liberal media would have said it. Toyota owning 24% of the company is a moot point.

GM had the part designed to there spec, they used it on there vehicles, its defective and will be taken care of.

 

[642mx]

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Are you kidding me? GM is actually trying to blame Toyota and the supplier? Shame on them. They should know better, especially since Toyota just tried the same thing, to no avail.

You can't leave Toyota alone, can you?...

CTS is who built the pedals for Toyota (American company, imagine that?) and they had to release the supplier to NHTSA because of the large volume of recalls.

Toyota doesn't throw anybody under the bus. When the 5.7L came out and had a camshaft problem, the public was never told who built the cam.... It wasn't Toyota's camshaft. And the reason it broke was substandard materials... (below Toyota's spec).

The domestics are the ones famous for throwing suppliers under the bus... Firestone is still a household name, right?

 

[Shamus O'toole]

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My Ford built in Canada...I'm cool with that.

 

[ezmobee]

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Same topic, same posters, same attitudes. Closed.