attempting first rebuild ever

penn136

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I recently aquired a 4 hp 1969 engine and I am going to attempt to teach myself how to rebuild and fix this engine. I have searched for manuals, is there a manual just for this year or is the only one available the generic for all johnson's built from whenever thru 1971? I know that when I prime the engine and then remove the cap then fuel spills out of the side. When I receive the manual, where should I start?
 

penn136

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

thanks for the links, anything to get me started in the right direction will be a huge help.
 

penn136

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

Well at least I know that the engine is definately "runnable" I had it running already, just not to its full potential. Half speed is about where it was running. I think that it needs a tune up. But I would like to keep this engine for a very long time and I think knowing how to take care of it is the first step. Thanks for the help and support.<br />Here's a fun link for you to see what I'm running my 4HP motor from<br />www.porta-bote.com
 

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

I bought and received the manual to do a tune up on the engine. I hadn't really looked at the components before and realized that they are in great shape. It looks like after I decypher the serect language of the mechanic then I will be able to start on the overhaul. I was looking for a part in the manual that would tell me the tools that would be essential to me in order to do this project but couldn't locate a specific page with that info. Does anyone have a list of the bear minimum it would take to do a tune up?
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

If I might ask, is this rebuild just something you really want to do for the experience or something that you feel needs to be done to make the motor run right? Have you done a compression check on it to see if it really is shot? The tune-up idea sounds a whole lot better to me at this point, unless you just want the hands on thing..
 

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

I haven't had anything "done" at this point. I think my terminology is a little mixed up. I would like the experience but not during the season. I know the engine runs, but not as well as it should. The tune up is a much better idea and I was told that with a little help could be completed on a Sunday. After the season is over then I will take it all apart and rebuild it from the ground up. Should be a good learning experience for me. I do need to know what tools I will need though.
 

Paul Moir

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Tools (odd) you will need to work on an outboard:<br />Flywheel puller - and automotive "harmonic balancer puller" works good for this. Nothing that pulls from the rim of the flywheel, but rather from the three screw holes around the hub of the flywheel. Yours may be hidden by a decorative cover held on by the flywheel nut. You'll also need three high strength (Grade 8) 1/4"-20tpi 3" long or longer screws since these never come with the puller. In all honesty, I use some cheepy Grade nothingth leftover screws I had kicking around and have never had a problem. But that's pure luck. Get a beefy puller even though you don't need one - outboard repair gets a little addictive and you'll find yourself pulling much larger flywheels eventually.<br />Feeler guage - to read .020" and .030". A wire guage is preffered but not necessary.<br />Torque wrenches - an inch-lb reading wrench is manditory since many critical torques are made below 20ft/lbs. Very, very few ft-lb reading wrenches are even nearly accurate here. You'll also need a ft-lb reading wrench for the flywheel nut (~35 ft/lbs) on your engine. <br /><br />Useful tools you don't need, but will help save your sanity:<br />Impact screwdriver - your engine is loaded with large slot screw fasteners that haven't been turned since the Nixon administration. This handy tool beats on them while turning them and either frees them up or breaks their heads off. You won't know how you lived without one once you get one.<br />Blowtorch - the old outboard wrench's secret weapon. Heat helps all fasteners come loose. You can melt smaller aluminum parts with a propane one, so be careful. But it's impossible to melt larger parts with it. Personally, I prefer propylene (or Mapp).<br />Penetrating oil - Cheap and effective, this should really be in 'neccessary tools'.<br />Large strap wrench - for holding flywheel while you torque and untorque the flywheel nut. Other techniques work as well - like jamming the engine by stuffing some rope down a spark plug hole - but they are inferior.<br />Timing light - although setting the points to .020" gets the timing close, I never seem to get it spot on without using this tool. Many do without one though and have no real problems.<br />Alligator clip with wire attached - to amplify the movement of the throttle shaft. <br />7/16" monkey wrench - for removing the carburetor.<br />Gasket Remover Spray - I spend way too much time mechanically removing gaskets.<br />Compression tester - So you know how you're doing. Get one that screws into the spark plug hole if you value your sanity.<br />Pint bottle of 2-stroke oil with sprayer attached - you know, like a windex bottle sprayer. I noticed the thread was the same as that of the oil bottle's neck. This is my favorite 'special tool'. <br /><br />If you are reringing the engine, you'll need a very small hone for those cylinders. I use a brake cylinder hone, but they also make small 'dingleberry' hones which are easier to work with.<br /><br />So, what am I forgetting? :)
 

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

Paul, you are always so helpful and I appreciate everything that you have passed on to me. By the way how is your 72 4HP going?
 

Paul Moir

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I started it for the first time today. It immediately ran like a dream. :) <br />Only problem was I had an ignition coil a little too close to the flywheel so it clanked every now and then. Simple fix though.<br />I ended up having to tear the engine after the last time we spoke. One of the piston rings turned out to be stuck, and it turned out to be stuck on something other than carbon. Some sort of crud had come in with some seawater or something and fouled the bottom of the bottom piston's groove. Whatever it was, decarb solution wouldn't dissolve it and I had to resort to mechanical methods.<br /><br />Thanks for asking.
 

penn136

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Re: attempting first rebuild ever

good luck to you and your "new" engine. I have been busy reading the manual. Your tips have been very helpful and I appreciate everything. I will keep you updated as I go along.
 
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