automatic oil injection confused ?'s

Waco

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Okay, i've read post after post about removing the automatic oil injection. disconnect alarm, plug oil lines, remove pump and shaft, replace with dummy shaft. My question is why replace the drive gear/pump with a dummy gear? why not leave the oil pump in there even though its not pumping anything.? will it hurt the motor for me to just run pre-mix with evrything hooked up and the alarm disconnected? motor is a 92 75hp mariner, just purchased, have not had it on the water yet. I will feel safer with pre-mix. <br /><br />Also, while i have your attention here, this motor should have a thermostat on it (have not verified this yet) but when i crank it with the muffs on, i get an instant powerful stream of water from the telltail, and it doesnt warm much at all, even after running for 10-15 minutes on the muffins.
 

michaelbr1

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

I don't know much about any engines other than my own, and even that is limited, but I just went through the same thing with my 97 Merc 175. <br /><br />About 45 minutes ago, I spoke to a wrench at Emerald Coast Marine in Pensacola who confirmed what I said in an earlier post.<br /><br />It's pasted below...<br /><br /><br />~~~begin quote~~~<br /><br />Okay, I decided to lose the oil injection system and premix. One thing I noticed immediately was the difference in power while accelerating to WOT - especially on the engine that had lots of oil (or fuel and a lot of oil) draining from the carbs after shut down. <br /><br />I can only think that this is because the oil pump was way out of adjustment. Regardless of what caused it, I like the way it runs now. Much, much better.<br /><br />Another issue is that when I removed the driven gear on that same engine, a large clump of metal shavings came out with it. It actually looked like a small Brillo pad.<br /><br />They sure run better now though.<br /><br />The only thing is that I kind of feel the same way I did on the day I had my dog neutered.<br /><br /><br />As for needing a plug...<br /><br />A description of the components follows.<br /><br />On my 97 Mercs - 175hp - starting from the crank case and working outward toward the oil pump.<br /><br />First, the driven gear is inserted into the crank case.<br /><br />Next, there is a coupler that goes into the crank case and rests against a little ledge or lip preventing it from falling/sliding into the engine. The end of this coupler that is facing the engine has a half-moon slot in it into which the drive gear slides.<br /><br />The bushing rests against the coupler with the worm gear inserted into the coupler.<br /><br />If the driven gear is removed, the coupler which is seated against that lip can not physically go any further into the engine than it would if the driven gear was installed. Aside from not driving the pump, there will literally be no effect on the worm gear, bushing, or pump.<br /><br />If the oil lines are capped, and the pump is not driven by the driven gear, it's basically a plug and cover. <br /><br />I can't offer a single word about another engine (because I don't have a clue), but this is the way my two 97 Merc 175s are set up.<br /><br />~~~end quote~~~<br /><br />The main thing is to plug the hole and remove any parts that can get into the crankcase.<br /><br />Also, don't forget to disconnect and plug/cap your oil input/output hoses/ports<br /><br />Hope this helps, Michael
 

Waco

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

still unclear about why i cant just leave the driven gear/pump/etc. in place and run the engine on premix. will the driven gear eventually destroy itself and allow metal to fall into the crank case?
 

michaelbr1

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

From what I understand, nothing would happen as long as the pump is not lubed by the oil it's pumping. Myself, I just didn't want the pump to run if nothing was passing through it. No real reason other than I wanted to disable the system. Mine would be very easy to re-enable by simply reconnecting the lines and reinstalling the driven gear. Good luck.
 

Waco

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

thanks, michael. I'll take a look this afternoon and see if i can duplicate your solution. any suggestions about the thermostat question?
 

wilde1j

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

You guys are confusing me. There's a drive gear pressed on the crankshaft. That is engaged by a driven SHAFT (a long pencil like shaft with long gear teeth milled in it). On the inner end, the driven shaft rides in a bushing. The dummy plug for the oil pump has a long shaft that hold this bushing in place and prevents damage. The stuff which came out on the shaft was black plastic (from the drive gear, which is obviously failing or has failed). Waco, you can get a dummy plug from a lot of Merc dealers or online from http://www.rickracers.com/. The pump, mag sensor and driven shaft must come out!<br /><br />Hope this clears this deal up!
 

michaelbr1

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

I'm not trying to sound like I know so much because I don't, but I do know that your description doesn't sound like the parts in my engine.<br /><br />My parts catalog has a picture - please see below.<br /><br />17 is the oil pump<br />18 is the worm bushing<br />19 is an oring<br />20 is the bearing assembly drive gear (the thing I was calling a coupler)<br />21 is the driven gear<br /> <br />Whether the driven gear (21) is installed or not, the bearing assy drive gear (20) still only goes into the hole until the flange on part # 20 hits a lip that is inside the hole. It cannot physically go any further because the opening is smaller beyond that point. <br /><br />Whether the driven gear (21) is installed or not, everything else fits the same as it would if the driven gear was installed. The end of the driven gear (21) slides into this bearing assy drive gear (20) and turns it. The worm gear on the oil pump goes into the outside end of the bearing assy drive gear (20). If the driven gear (21) is removed, the bearing assy drive gear (20) simply does not turn which means the oil pump is disabled.<br /><br />I've called two Merc parts dealers and spoke to one Merc technision. The parts people didn't have a clue, and the wrench said to just remove the driven gear (21).<br /><br />Again, I'm only speaking for my engines.<br /><br />If there's another part that the plug you mentioned is held by and that is not shown in the diagram, please let me know. Thanks.<br /><br />See the image below.<br /><br />
oilpump.jpg
 

wilde1j

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

#21 IS the driven shaft! To the right of that and not shown in the diagram. there's a bushing inside the block that the end of the driven shaft rides in. The GEAR is pressed onto the crankshaft and is what disintegrated causing the black "Brillo", which is plastic, not metal.<br /><br />The cover part for replacing a removed pump is a plastic flange which covers the pump hole and replaces all the internal stuff which is readily removable (#21, 20 and 19 ... 18 is part of the pump assy). The cover has a piece that goes into the bushing and keeps it in place. I've had this apart on several Merc V6's and have seen it all.
 

michaelbr1

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

Thanks for your responding. I was just looking at racerricks site and could not seem to locate this item. The dealers in my area don't seem to know about it and are not very interested. I would really like to find this part. Can you tell me what name to ask for or search for on the web? Thanks.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

The GEAR is pressed onto the crankshaft and is what disintegrated causing the black "Brillo", which is plastic, not metal.<br />
And that's why Merc. went to a steel gear instead of the plastic junk. They were failing all the time...<br /><br />Oil Injection Block Off #011-212<br /><br /><br /> web page
 

michaelbr1

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Re: automatic oil injection confused ?'s

The cover has a piece that goes into the bushing and keeps it in place.
Thanks Rick. Is the piece that wildone mentioned in his post also included in this kit? Also, do I need to remove anything else from the crankcase beyond the driven gear (inward)?<br /><br />I'm not a retard. I just want to be sure I get this right or it could be costly. Thanks Guys.
 
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