Bad thermostat?

texsun

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My 96 Larson 3.0 Volvo was running "cool" last year (150 -160) and it had always run at 170-175. Since the thermostat was original I decided to replace italong with the gasket. I went to the dealer and got the oem part and put it in. At that point it started running at about 180 degrees and has continued to be there.
Should I be concerned? Should I get another thermostat? The engine does not seem hot. I can easily place my hand on the riser or manifold.

Thanks for the help!
Mark
 

QC

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Re: Bad thermostat?

"Open" (raw) or "Closed" (fresh) cooling. 180 sounds like the thermostat for closed cooling . . .
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Sorry about that QC. It draws lake water thru the lower unit and pumps it thru the engine/ mainfold/riser and back into the lake. Does that help? I guess I always thought that's an open system.

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Ayuh,.....

That's usually called Raw water cooled,..... Freshwater cooled has a radiator of sorts.....

I Agree with QC,.....

Raw water cooled usually run a 140?, or a 160? T-Stat, depending on the mineral content of the normal playground.....
180? is usually reservred for the Freshwater cooling which runs Antifreeze thru a heat exchanger......
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

OK I got a stupid question, Texun what was the temperture rating on the thermostat? Old one versus new one?

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texsun

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Re: Bad thermostat?

The original t-stat was so corroded I could not read the "stamp". I think it was a 160. The replacement is a 160.

If "normal operating temp" has now moved to 180 degrees...is that too hot and should I go perhaps to a 140 t-stat so that I can lower my "normal operating temp"?

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PBKboater

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Before jumping to that, Find out what is your true operating temp for your eng fresh water versus salt water. I personaly would:
1. check temp sending unit, make sure elect conection is good.
2. pull temp sending unit and see if corroded (could send false temp readings)
3. check outdrive pick up screeen (clear of debri).
4. check empeller for wear leaks etc...
5. If your volvo empeller is up front of engine possible air leak from out drive to empeller. (my 280 volvo had a air leak and was airiating water "higher temp" than usual.
6. circulation pump.
This is where I would start trouble shooting with, I'm sure the guys will chime in and also have some input also.

Paul
 

texsun

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Re: Bad thermostat?

I will have to look into those things...but,

Allowing that the engine has always operated at about 175 degrees until I changed the t-stat...then moved up to 185. It leads me to believe it's all about the thermstat.

Is it dangerous for this engine/cooling system to operate at 185 degrees?

Mark
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Thermostats do NOT control max operating temp . . . I know this sounds like stupidity, but read this very carefully. Thermostats control MINIMUM temperature. By lowering the thermo number, you will not lower the max temp that an engine reaches under load unless the cooling system is already adequate to cool the engine. If the stat is fully open, it doesn't matter. Sooooooooo, what I am trying to say is if you have a 160 degree 'stat and you are running at an accurate 180 degrees then the cooling system is just barely able to keep up with it's job . 180 is probably a few degrees above the fully open temp of the 160 degree stat, so if a 140 degree stat would also be fully open, and the 160 degree stat is fully open, then you are probably technically, overheating. That definition being that the engine runs above the fully open temperature of the thermostat. That shouldn't happen.

Soooooooooo, you can check the stat, you can do all kinda things, but you need to know the accurate temp while under load (preferably at WOT which is max heat). This will tell you if you are exceeding the "range" capability of your stat which is usually around 15 degrees. If you are, then the stat is not your issue as long as it IS fully opening AND that it is not leaking i.e. bypassing when fully open which would let the hottest coolant back into the engine. So you need a good thermo, with a decent seal, against a good housing . . . But first you need to verify the operating temp. Your gauge is not the way to do this . . . ;)
 

texsun

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Thanks QC, I do understand soooome of that.

Two questions:
1) if the t-stat does not open all the way, will that increase the water/engine temperature?
2) What would you consider to be a maximun accepatable operating temp for my '96 3.0 Volvo open cooling system?

Thanks Again!
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Volvo only uses 160? thermostats on the 3.0L engines. Doesn't make any difference raw or closed cooled.
With the raw water system, you will probably see around 170? UNDER LOAD.
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

QC, what is the way to check temp? If you mean an IR guage where is the correct spot to aim it?
 

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Re: Bad thermostat?

If you are trying to confirm your gauge number then you need to point it at the area directly around the sending unit on the thermostat hsg. Be careful, there are cold spots on the housing too, like the inlet from the raw water pump . . . You can also use the gun to see where temp is flowing, spiking etc. to help determine other things as well.
 

texsun

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Re: Bad thermostat?

Is there any link available that can show me the thermostat assy diagram for my "96 3.0 Volvo?

My thought is if the gasket/thermostat is installed properly...then it is likely that the 160 degree t-stat is not opening all the way and causing my engine to run warmer than it did right before the change. I won't be able to pull it apart until the weekend.

Thanks again for everyone's input.
 
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