biaxial 1708 question

[jere1972]

I am reglassing over a deck after fuel tank replacement, was told to use biaxial mat for strenth, this will be my finished layer, what side should be up! the stitched side or the mat side, I am going to coat the deck with a sprayon bed liner material, but I want the smoothest finish i can get from this mat chop strand seems to be quite messy, also was told 1 gallon of resin per 4sq/yards to wet out biaxial 1708 is this right?

 

[oops!]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

the 1708 is a really big cloth to do a deck with......and to get the results you want, not the product for the job.

2 layers of 1.5 csm and a final finishing layer of 6 oz woven is all that is needed for a deck,,,,over a tank or not.
the 6 oz will give you a very very smooth finish.

if you use the 1708, you must use matt on the substraight....if you put matt down first,,,,then it wont matter what side you have up...
but you will end up with a messy csm finish.

if you put the matt side of the 1708 down,,,you will have deep ridges on the cure of the finish side...(top)

for a smooth deck......the right product is necessary......i highly suggest the 6oz finishing cloth.

 

[jere1972]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

well so much for alot of advice here! never really seem to get much advice from my started threads, hope this improves, anyway, I had not much choice in using this material, I had already purchased it based on someones opinion of the product, I was skeptical on using it being such a heavy mat, but I layed it anyway, and it actually worked well, light sand to remove the wild strands, and a almost perfect light textured natural forming non-skid ready for the gelcoat, so the ruff cloth actually looks pretty good similar to the boats original molded non skid!

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

That's part of your problem. You bounce all over the forum posting threads about the same boat on the same topic instead of following the forum rules. Makes it very difficult for members to keep track of your project. I have posted to this project and so have others. IMHO you have nothing to complain about!!

OOPS is one of the BEST fiberglass experts you will find anywhere on this forum and the Internet. You GOT GREAT advice. If you don't want to follow it that is your decision. You should do more research before you start "Knockin" the advice you get.

 

[ondarvr]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

well so much for alot of advice here! never really seem to get much advice from my started threads, hope this improves, anyway, I had not much choice in using this material, I had already purchased it based on someones opinion of the product, I was skeptical on using it being such a heavy mat, but I layed it anyway, and it actually worked well, light sand to remove the wild strands, and a almost perfect light textured natural forming non-skid ready for the gelcoat, so the ruff cloth actually looks pretty good similar to the boats original molded non skid!

Interesting response.

You said you wanted "the smoothest finish I can get" and that you were going to use spray on bedliner, oops told you a way to get a smooth finish.

Then you said you liked the extra texture and you covered it with gel coat, and complained. Kind of a no win situation for anyone that offers help.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

Not only that .. but look at the response time Oops had !! 10 minutes after you posted he answered back. 10 minutes man !

It took you 4 days to come back to your OWN thread that was answered in 10 minutes !

Then you have the guts to reply back saying you get no help and NOW your already done with the application .. .. and 'it turned out great' ?

So this thread has reached its end right ? Lock it up !

YD.

 

[jones01m]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

jere

You don't complain to the cook when you receive free food. Your total lack of appreciation is disappointing.

 

[jere1972]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

I feel I must apologize, for the the comment of "lack of advise", it was stated in humor, not an attack, but I do feel that the sudden burst of negetive replies was quite uncalled for, I did take oops advise into mind very much so, however instead of coming here first and asking I asked and took the advice from a store employee, which I regreted, so after laying the glass down and seeing what it looked like I thought well should make a decent non skid, the guys at the marine store said roll on some gel coat stay away from bedliner Sh!T (again have never attempted any of this before) bought some gel coat did a test panel used a roller (can't shell out the $130 on a dump gun)very unhappy,.Same store different sales guy, stated as oops! stated should have used a cloth he said 10oz, but again oops was right, and right after reading oops's reply I knew I bought the wrong crap, I did not reply right away until I layed this mat, and I am looking into what to do next! have a gallon of gel coat -non returnable, a rough deck but strong as hell, and apparently some pissed off people on iboats, but at risk of making you all mad again, there was well over 200 views, and oops! was the only one to reply to the thread, that was the reason for the comment on lack of advise (again stated in humor) but no one would have known that, had I known all of oops's knowledge I would maybe have been a bit wiser, instead of being greedy and wanting a few more reassuring replies to to oops's suggestions, if i read a thread and I know something about the posters problem or topic I will always throw in my 2 cents, not wait for something I disagree with and attack the poster who posted it instead of helping, multible replies with similar suggestions would have certainly triggered a different thought process, sorry but I took one mans advise over another that I have seen and spoken to on many occasions and it went bad! and I agree there is still a lot to learn on navigating and using these forums, I did seem to make an error by starting a new thread! but if you all are so quick to judge and attack where was your helpfull reply when I asked for it or a curtious statement of hey man I see you don't have 5000 replies like I do heres some advise don't start a 2 threads on the same topic . Again to "oops!" man I do apologize if I sounded ungreatfull I was not! just a sudden disarray of I just spent $300 on non returnable crap!, I did research this after the fact you seemed to have been dead on, to the rest I am @ a loss! I have had nothing but good things to say to people about iboats and it's forums (wealth of information), never thought I would have to get into boat hull repair section of the forums, But gentlemen you may take your bow, I got your point!

 

[craigweaver]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

Jere1972, I understand your point man, but unfortunately I understand those who help so much around here's point. You are a big man for writting that long explanation. Not a lot of people who have been flamed for ill advised "forum edicate" would have come back. Kudos to you man! That being said, my advice to you would be to read more than you post. We have all wasted $$ on crap when we didn't listen but you have had some folks I only wish would try and give me advice try and help you out. You have done yourself a great service with your last post but one of the things I have notice the really great ones around here want to see is the initiative to search and read the advice given to others. I wish you nothing but the best on your project man and if I felt I had anything of value to add to the opinions of the wise ones, I would. all I can say is don't give up!

Best of luch to you man!

 

[jere1972]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

I know I created some a bad vibe with this thread, I finished my floor, and re-coated the top rails afterwards, the floor ended up not being so bad, I did end up glassing over the biaxial with a 6oz cloth over the entire floor,I had resevations on attempting to tint the gelcoat so I left it white using unwaxed gelcoat thickend with cabosil then rolled with a texure roller over 2"masked seams to create 9 non-skid paneled areas then top over with 2 rolled on unwaxed 1 rolled on waxed coat when its clean it looks fairly well even for my pick judgmental self, had a half gallon of left over gelcoat unwaxed, so I decided to play the tinting to try and match the boats faded out bone, wanted to address the chiped up worn-out spider-cracked toprails and rear platforms since we walk on these all the time figured I roll it with a short nap 6" roller from lowes,after sanding down to glass 4 rolled on coats think it worked out very well left no lint and seemed to give a uniform finish, the floor I would definitely do different and seeing that tinting the gel coat was not as much of a nightmare as I thought I would have perfered not white(too much glare)! this was my first attempt @ glass work and gelcoat, and after many many many lessons learned I am happy with the outcome oh did I say many many many (yep I did) let me just throw one more in there-- many, so as long as the Poly Tank holds up shes runable again! for those who still care to open or read this thread (!that was stated with humerous notion!)I have some after pics only, again to all who may have felt offended,by my comment(s) my apologizes was never my intentions, like my unexpected project, many lessons have been learned! if the pics are messed up or not posted correctly that definitely is my inexperience showing on this forum

 

[jere1972]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

yeah think I need to figure the posting pics thing out!

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

I know I created some a bad vibe with this thread, I finished my floor,

Naw .. let those post go to the past m8 . Whatever has been said or posted is in the past.. We all make bad posts and not all of them get Deleted ( trust me I have Many post/threads that have been Removed (thankfully infact) LOL ).

I think your project is coming along nicely .. keep posting some pics and your questions. If you need help or just want to post your experiences .. POST it up !

YD.

PS. We Are Iboats..you are Iboats ..

 

[CarTuner]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

I know I created some a bad vibe with this thread, I finished my floor, and re-coated the top rails afterwards, the floor ended up not being so bad, I did end up glassing over the biaxial with a 6oz cloth over the entire floor,I had resevations on attempting to tint the gelcoat so I left it white using unwaxed gelcoat thickend with cabosil then rolled with a texure roller over 2"masked seams to create 9 non-skid paneled areas then top over with 2 rolled on unwaxed 1 rolled on waxed coat when its clean it looks fairly well even for my pick judgmental self, had a half gallon of left over gelcoat unwaxed, so I decided to play the tinting to try and match the boats faded out bone, wanted to address the chiped up worn-out spider-cracked toprails and rear platforms since we walk on these all the time figured I roll it with a short nap 6" roller from lowes,after sanding down to glass 4 rolled on coats think it worked out very well left no lint and seemed to give a uniform finish, the floor I would definitely do different and seeing that tinting the gel coat was not as much of a nightmare as I thought I would have perfered not white(too much glare)! this was my first attempt @ glass work and gelcoat, and after many many many lessons learned I am happy with the outcome oh did I say many many many (yep I did) let me just throw one more in there-- many, so as long as the Poly Tank holds up shes runable again! for those who still care to open or read this thread (!that was stated with humerous notion!)I have some after pics only, again to all who may have felt offended,by my comment(s) my apologizes was never my intentions, like my unexpected project, many lessons have been learned! if the pics are messed up or not posted correctly that definitely is my inexperience showing on this forum

I like the pics you've shown of how your deck turned out. That's a similar look as to what I want to do with mine. But your post was a bit hard to read, so let me try and clarify what you did:

After the 1708 was laid on the deck, you finished it off with a layer of 6oz cloth. Then you rolled on a total of 3 coats of gelcoat thickened with cabosil using a texture roller, and that created the final non-skid finish. Is that correct?

Did you do any filling/smoothing/sanding of the 6oz cloth after it dried, before you rolled on the gelcoat?

 

[jere1972]

Re: biaxial 1708 question

filling no, the rolled thickened gel-coat took care of any high/low visual imperfections but left an exceptable texture coat, sanding yes I did run over it with a DA using 80gr just to rough it up and remove any stray strands of glass, shes held very well so far, 4th trip out last weekend with 600-800lbs of people standing and bouncing on her in 2-4s