Boat Purchase Question

jdubes

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I'm in the process of purchasing a used boat. Here are the manufacturers I’m looking at. Cobalt, Regal and Crownline.<br /><br />Questions:<br /><br />How many hours can the boat operated before I need to perform a stern drive maintenance?<br />ie: bearings, gears, seals? Do I need to worry about this? What should I expect?<br /><br /><br />Engine exhaust manifolds and engine heads. When can I expect to see problems? How do I tell if this boat has been mistreated or not maintained properly? What should I expect? Is this something I need to be concerned about?<br /><br />Should I be concerned with a boat that has 300 hours on it? What type of maintenance should I expect to do?<br /><br />And lastly, should I be concerned with these boat selections? Any models that i should stay away from?<br /><br />-Thanks
 

waterone1@aol.com

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It is not that often that I say this...but...you need to get a surveyor. At the very least, you need a good tech or an experienced boater to help you through the buying process. Please tell us what you are looking for in a boat ? What do you want to do with it ? what are your requirements ? what is your budget ? Do you want to trailer it or do you want to keep it in a slip at a marina ?<br />Have you ever rebuilt a car engine ? Have you ever done any of your own maintenence ? sorry to post all of these questions, but they are all relevant when looking for a boat. The questions that you have posted would require a book to answer properly. I'm not trying to be difficult, but could we please start at the beginning ?
 

blackz3

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Re: Boat Purchase Question

and i might add ...what size r u looking at??
 

prockvoan

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Your case,surveyor a must!There are things that you can look at from the outside of the engine,oil leaks,burnt paint on the engine,rust,pull the dip stick,look at the oil,color of the oil or oil burnt on the dip stick.Look down in the bilge,is it clean?There is so much to looking into a used boat,so if you don't know much about them,when you find one that you like and look at it and think its good,have it sureyed still,cost around $300.That would be the best money you spend.
 

jdubes

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This is fantastic; let me answer some of these questions.<br /><br />
Please tell us what you are looking for in a boat?
I live in CT right near the CT River. Looking for a boat to cruise the river. Maybe spend a night or two on it. Purely a pleasure craft for the family.<br /><br />
What do you want to do with it?
Answered above<br /><br />
What are your requirements?
A boat that's easily accessible from the water. ie: in and out for swimming. Something that can be gently run up on shore for cook-outs. A boat that can be taken on long trips. Sleeps 2-4 people. Has a refrigerator. Has hook up for dock power. Possibly a bathroom.<br /><br />
what is your budget?
25K<br /><br />
Do you want to trailer it or do you want to keep it in a slip at a marina?
It needs a trailer. Probably won't get a slip the first year.<br /><br />
Have you ever rebuilt a car engine?
Not a car engine, but many motorcycle engines. I'm very mechanically inclined. I’m also an electronics wiz. <br /><br />
Have you ever done any of your own maintenance?
Plenty. Changed engines and transmissions you name it. I’ll do anything if I’ve got the right tools.<br /><br />
what size r u looking at??
20-25 feet.
 

John Carpenter

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To what extent is the size of the boat limited by your tow vehicle? What are you going to pull it with and how far? Over what sort of terrain? A 25' boat like you are looking for could easily top 6000# wet and full of "stuff". Manufacturer's listed weights are notoriously light. Do you have at least a full sized half ton truck?<br /><br />The brands you mentioned all have good reputations. I would rate them in order as Cobalt, Crownline & Regal. Good luck with your search.
 

jdubes

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Originally posted by Relentless:<br /> To what extent is the size of the boat limited by your tow vehicle? What are you going to pull it with and how far? Over what sort of terrain?
My Truck. 2004 Superduty with the Diesel. The truck is not a problem. I could tow my house off the foundation with this truck. It's a Bad A-S Truck.<br /><br />
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cuzner

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In your price range, I would suggest you look for a small cruiser (aft cabin) Some brand names.. sea ray sundancer, crownline ccr,fourwinns, bayliner clasic. You should be able to get something late 90's very early 2000's. You will pay for the name of some boats, searay and four winns tend to be more expensive than any other.Any boat in this year range ,should be in decent shape as long as it was maintained. Avoid any boat that was used in salt water if you can. Before I started my last search, I wrote down the things I had to to have, and things I did'nt want.Things you will need include.. Tabs very important, with people moving around will be a problem without.At the very least have the drive system inspected by someone that knows what to look for.<br /><br /> Jim
 

prockvoan

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Myself,scrach off Bayliner,TRASH!I had replaced to manny floors in them for people over the years,ROT!Crown Line Searay and Fourwinds,any one of them!
 

jdubes

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How many hours can the boat operated before I need to perform a stern drive maintenance?<br />ie: bearings, gears, seals? Do I need to worry about this? What should I expect?<br /><br />Engine exhaust manifolds and engine heads. When can I expect to see problems?
 

John Carpenter

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The drive can be pulled and checked easily enough. Gimble bearing and u-joints can be checked at that point. Hard to say how that relates to hours...depends on who was running it and what they hit. I have seen exhaust manifolds on fresh water manifolds last many years...would not expect problems with the heads unless the engine had gotten very hot.
 

jdubes

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Originally posted by Relentless:<br /> The drive can be pulled and checked easily enough. Gimble bearing and u-joints can be checked at that point. Hard to say how that relates to hours...depends on who was running it and what they hit.
So from a drive perspective you don't typically replace bearings or seals. Unless there is a problem.<br /><br />What type of normal maintence does a drive get if any?
 

cuzner

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Oil needs to be changed yearly, I grease fittings twice a year. Impeller needs to be replaced every year or 2,(unless you run it without water). The big one is bellows, or boots, you can get 5 to 10 years out of them, but if you let them leak, they cause SERIOUS problems in hurry, check them for cracks on a regular basis. If you change your own sterndrive oil ALWAYS use new o-rings on the screws.Another thing not to do is run your motor above trim limit, most boats now have a trailer switch to let you know when your trimed up too high. Its hell on u-joints if you do.<br /><br /> Jim
 

waterone1@aol.com

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If you are going to do any salt water cruising or possibly buying a salt water boat, it should have fresh water cooling, also known as closed cooling( it has a heat exchanger that circulates antifreeze through the engine and exhaust manifolds). If you are going to do more than the occaisional overnight, and especialy if you want any kind of privacy, you are most likely looking at around a 25 foot boat with an aft cabin. I had a boat a few years ago that would fit your requirement nicely, it was a 1995 Regal commodore 256, it was a great small cruiser, never had any problems, easy to trailer, powered by twin merc 3.0's with alpha 1 gen II drives. You might also look at a Sea Ray 250 or 270 Sundancer, or the Crownline. From what you wrote, you should be able to spot a bad or tired engine.The big difference from what you are used to is that boat engines have wet exhaust, there is water flowing through the exhaust maniflods and elbows/risers. This is one of the biggest problems with these setups, as the manifolds age and the water jackets wear out, if they are not replaced, they can cause water to get into the combustion chambers and cause serious problems (can you say rebuild time). For a typical single V-8 the PARTS price for new manifolds and elbows is just under $1000. The outdrive(s) and hull would be the main areas of concern for you. If the boat is trailered, and does not have bottom paint, it is a bit easier, but to check for any repairs and to make sure there are not any areas of delamination you really should have a hull survey done. At the very least you should get under the boat with a strong spot light and look for any wavy areas or for any circular patterns, also look for any areas of inconsistant finish or rough edges. As for the outdrive, remember that it is more of a mechanical piece and not cosmetic. If the paint isn't great or has been repainted, that, in and of itself does not mean anything, what you are looking at initially is that there are no cracks, voids or serious pits in the drive. The skeg (vertical fin at the bottom) should be straight and not have any chips out of it, the propellor should likewise not have dings or chips in the metal,worn off paint is fine. The next check on an outdrive is to drain a few drops of oil and make sure that it is not milky (water in oil) and not have any metal shavings (worn/broken gears). I could go on, but as you can tell there is a-lot to look at, and this is all before the sea trial! To sea trial a boat properly you need to know what it is supposed to behave like (max speed, maximum rpm's at wide open throttle, what is normal and abnormal vibration and noise, etc.). And we haven't even checked any of the other systems such as the vhf, freshwater system, ac and dc power systems, head or plumbing, etc. Some of the things you might miss will be minor if they don't work ( vhf radio...under $200.00). If you don't see a serious hull problem, that $20,000.00 boat might be worthless.
 

jhs5150

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Water1 - This is all great advice. One thing I would NEVER do is buy a boat off of Ebay without actually going out to the seller's location and checking the boat out yourself or with an experienced boat person. What I have found is that a lot of boats on Ebay are dumped by sellers just trying to get rid of them. You can't check for mechanical issues by bidding online. I m sure there a reputable sellers but there are also ones you need to be wary of. The biggest issue about online used boats (to me) is, were they constantly wet due to not being covered when unused and are there any mechanical problems that were not mentioned? Your advice about the outdrive and the sea trial is dead on. If a seller will not let you oerform these steps listed, run the engine or take it out for a trial I would assume there is a problem he doesn't want you to know about and either offer him a rock-bottom price assuming you are going to have to invest money in repairs or walk away and look for another boat.
 

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You do realize that you're replying to a thread that's 4 1/2 years old????

I bet he's either got a boat already or isn't worried about it anymore .......
 
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