boat repower question?

Keaton

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OK So I have a repower question.
I have a 18ft 1986 sea swirl spyder sport 178 with a Chevy 350, its a medium V hull, the hour meter was unplugged at 320 hours long before I bought it 2 years ago. when I started it up there was a lot of blow by and it eats oil. ~1qt @ 48 hours, guessing ~2 hrs a weekend for 6-8 months (summer season), do to a miss hap at the lake and bad guidance I'm now on my old prop (backup/spare) and I think I'm way under propped. Currently running 3 blade 14.5x19 (~50mph topped out), was running a 4 blade 15.0x21 (~65 Mph topped out, still spun to red line and pulled till the motor cant pull anymore, need a 15.0x23? maybe?) due to the lower pitch I was running it a bit higher more often for the speeds, so that could definitely explain the increase oil consumption, but that still seems like a lot to me.

So I'm really leaning towards a repower with another 350 but out of a 1996-2000 this way I can reuse a lots my current parts ( exhaust, oil pan, starter, fly wheel, starter, alternator ) and gain fuel injection, programmable ignition, starter, ECU, Vortec heads and more power . I know the motor will need new head gaskets and different freeze plugs

questions:
1) has anyone done this?

2) if i rebuild the motor, at this point why not do a 383 stroker? I know the OMC is power limited but if I pick up power under the curve and ease into peak... can the cobra take it?

3) Cam selection, 350 truck motor uses a close cam, but the peaks are moved up a 200-300rpm higher then a marine cam. is there a good hydraulic roller cam replacement? or reuse it out of current motor ( if its good)? If possible I'd ditch the tappet and go roller, needle bearings, 1.6:1 rocker, and high rev springs with head work ( porting, polishing, polished combustion chamber) so i can spin to 7-9k if needed

4) ECU tuning, so it looks like only tuner cat can retune the "black box" for easy retunes I should get a PCM411 (LSx computer), thoughts?

5)383 + EFi or 350 + CF blower+ EFI?

6) convert to closed loop or open loop cooling? its all cast iron, and fresh water. closed loop is a cost adder, its currently open loop.

7) addition of oil squirters, all of my high performance euro and diesel engines have them to help pull heat away from the piston and reduce the chance of knock. most marine engines are 60-75%+ load so it sounds like a good idea.... so not adding them seem silly with all that unlimited cool potential. however drag motors use scrapers and other meant to keep oil off the rotating assembly and reciprocating assembly ( added weight), but then again this is not once of those types of motors


i don't see a need to keep the carb, and smog system.
 

bruceb58

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So I'm really leaning towards a repower with another 350 but out of a 1996-2000 this way I can reuse a lots my current parts ( exhaust, oil pan, starter, fly wheel, starter, alternator ) and gain fuel injection, programmable ignition, starter, ECU, Vortec heads and more power . I know the motor will need new head gaskets and different freeze plugs
If you are taking the engine out of a truck, you can't use the fuel injection or ignition since it is not marine rated.
 

Bondo

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so i can spin to 7-9k if needed

Ayuh,... 'n ya wanta keep rpms at Wot down to 'bout 5,000 rpms,...

If ya run a cam that'll spin 9 grand, yer well into reversion territory,...
 

vasy

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That seems like some small oil use, nothing compare to the two stroke of course.
Why not just keep as is, oil is cheap at that rate. Get a new prop and run the engine till it stops?
It is easy to spend the money on the new motor, but do you really need to?
At one quart a season, this hardly seems to be worth while money wise.
If you have time in the winter, you can take the motor apart and swap the rings for a few bucks and get a few extra years out of it perhaps.
Of course if you wanna get more power and got spare cash, why not.
 

Redrig

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That seems like some small oil use, nothing compare to the two stroke of course.
Why not just keep as is, oil is cheap at that rate. Get a new prop and run the engine till it stops?
It is easy to spend the money on the new motor, but do you really need to?
At one quart a season, this hardly seems to be worth while money wise.
If you have time in the winter, you can take the motor apart and swap the rings for a few bucks and get a few extra years out of it perhaps.
Of course if you wanna get more power and got spare cash, why not.

Agreed .

It sounds like the engine is running fine , heck you have got it up to 50-60 MPH .

Why not just change to 10-40 oil and add some Lucas in it ? that will drop the oil consumption dramataically and if you are really bored , swap the rings.
 

Lou C

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As long as it's not oil fouling spark plugs or smoking like a 2 stroke I would not worry about the oil consumption. What drive is this hooked up to? If it's a stringer forget about higher power options if you do re power. If it's a Cobra they are limited to the power of a good small block V8 let's say 300 hp. So a garden variety carbed 350 is fine.
 

Scott Danforth

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my car uses more than a quart every 48 hours. that is like a quart every 2500 miles.
 

jerryjerry05

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To figure out the prop??
​You need to add the rpm's to your speeds.
Say 5000 rpm/s at 50mph.

Most regular motors operating range is 4500 max.
If there has been any mods then the rpm's can go up accordingly.

There is a prop section on here.
Lots of guys there who can help with the prop.
 

garbageguy

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1 qt in 48 hours doesn't sound like a lot of oil consumption. If you have a lot of blow-by, wouldn't oil use be more than that?
 

HT32BSX115

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OK So I have a repower question.
I have a 18ft 1986 sea swirl spyder sport 178 with a Chevy 350, its a medium V hull, the hour meter was unplugged at 320 hours long before I bought it 2 years ago. when I started it up there was a lot of blow by and it eats oil. ~1qt @ 48 hours, guessing ~2 hrs a weekend for 6-8 months
Howdy,

Are you saying 1 quart in 4--to--8 hours or 1 qt in 48 hours? ( if it's 1 qt in 48 hours, it doesn't "eat" oil!!)

if it's 1qt in 4-8 hours, it's "using" oil.....

If I had an '86 boat that needed a replacement Chev V-8 and I didn't want the local rebuilder to rebuild it, I would go to the local truck wrecking yard and get an appropriate truck long block to replace it with.

The boat is not worth spending thousands (for a 'new' 383, LS1 etc)

If you cannot part with the boat update it with newer engine and drive......... remove the OMG "stuff" and part it all out. Find damaged "donor" boat with a newer EFI Mercruiser or Volvo complete package and swap it out.

That's what I did with my '87 boat (formerly OMG Kobra Powered)

Regards,


Rick
 
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