Boat sizes for ocean fishing

Tonygotskilz

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What is the smallest size and type of boat you can take out on the ocean for a day of fishing safely. I'm pretty new to boating and i currently own an out of commission 15' 50 hp tri-hull. I tried taking it out on the ocean one day and the sea wasn't even choppy but the waves seemed alittle too much for the boat, afew splashed water right in over the back of the boat because of how low off the water it was due to all the engine weight. I've seen people in boats just slightly bigger than mine go straight out of the inlet that i like to fish in so i was wondering if maybe its just a matter of the type of boat you use or what? Any help would be great thanx, i'm thinking of purchasing a slightly bigger boat soon and i want to know what to look for.
 

22WRF

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Re: Boat sizes for ocean fishing

Tonygotskilz <br /><br />Your boat was not intended for offshore.<br />I couldn't recommend it even on a calm day because conditions can change rapidly. Just the afternoon sea breeze kicking up or a change of tide to where the breeze is one direction and the tide starts running against it can produce a nasty chop that your boat can't handle.<br /><br />For little run out on a decent day a 17' deep-vee will work out. But something 19' to 22' would be safer and of course a kicker to get home never hurts.<br /><br />The tri is best at pulling skiers on a lake.<br /><br />IMHO
 

wayne h

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Re: Boat sizes for ocean fishing

i have the same kinda boat 15 footer tri hull with a 50 hp evinrude on the back.i hate that boat haha i now have a 12 foot aluminum v hull with a 9.5 on it and i can go out farther in that then my tri hull.i tryed to sell the tri hull and no 1 wants it so i am parting it out the engine is on ebay and i think i am going to cut the boat up with a chain saw.it was to heavy and bolky of a boat for inshore and not make for off shore. i am not sure what its good for lol. i am not much of an off shore fisher so my light 12' v hull is perfect for me.
 

Jack Shellac

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I would agree that a 17' deep-V is the absolute minimum size boat to go even a few miles offshore. I say that because thats the kind I have. Even at that it has to be a perfect weather day and I keep my radio on the weather channel a lot to be sure somethings not jumping up. Helps to keep your eyes open for a thunderstorm coming up too. Also have a 15HP auxiliary just in case.
 

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Hi, Tony.<br /><br />A deep Vee has it's points, IF it is made for ocean use.<br /><br />There are a few small boats made for ocean use, but most small boats are intended for sheltered water only. Small means under 20'.<br /><br />If you want a comfortable boat in that size, don't go on the ocean. Seaworthiness and smooth ride don't usually go together.<br /><br />Look for a Mako, Scout, Grady White, Boston Whaler or similar quality boat. All made good 17' to 19' fishing boats suitable, with a trained helmsman and pilot, for inshore and up to a few miles offshore fishing.<br /><br />I say "made" because their best were made in the 70s and 80s.<br /><br />My choice for your wants would be a mid-80s Boston Whaler Outrage 18, 120 to 150hp outboard and a 15hp kicker. Expect to pay $7,000 to $12,000 depending on the engine and the condition.<br /><br />Before you take any boat more than 1/2 mile offshore, take a seamanship and piloting course from the USCGA or USPS. I might save your life.<br /><br />Good luck and good fishing. :)
 

JerseyJim

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Re: Boat sizes for ocean fishing

my brother has a 16'-17' tri-hull (first year of crestliner fiberglass i beleive) with a late model 75hp force on it and although it behaves nicely in the barneget bay and hops up on a plane easy, when the slop gets going the boat is absolutely dangerous.<br /><br />its fine for the barnegat bay althought the bay gets nasty sometimes, it doesnt get all THAT bad. He knows better than to trust it offshore. <br /><br />I would say I personally wouldnt trust ANY boat in the blue water under 19' other than a boston whaler. I would gladly trade my 22' center console aquasport for a 17' montauk in great shape!<br /><br />in years past we had a 17' boston whaler sportsman (side console, not true center console like the montauk) and that was a great boat as well aside from the console being very low. <br /><br />makos are nice, i'm not a big fan of grady whites pre-1985 (lapstrake style), and i never liked their boats under 21 feet.
 

vwall

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Re: Boat sizes for ocean fishing

What do you guys think of safety of taking an 87 Bayliner Trophy 18'6" Center Console off shore?<br /><br />I am reluctant as i feel more comfertable going offshore with my friend in his 19' boat thats foam filled (unsinkable)<br />We've gone out 30-40 miles in that boat..<br /><br />Im just curious about my salty boat.<br /><br />thanks
 

JerseyJim

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yikes! 30-40 offshore in a 19' ? <br /><br />the trophys are good looking boats, but I would beware of any bayliner from the late 80s to the mid 90s. Not saying I wouldnt buy one if the price is right, though!<br /><br />dont spend a lot on a bayliner...<br /><br />i wouldnt do 30-40 miles offshore in a 19' boat, but that's just me. I POSSIBLY would do it in a boat with twin engines or at least a kicker motor should the main power fail. Out here in the northeast the weather can change on you in a heartbeat. Should you lose power in a squall you are going to end up on the evening news.<br /><br />I've done 30 miles offshore for tuna, but I was on a 22' grady white with twin yamahas.
 

mattttt25

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when deciding whether a boat should go offshore, it comes down to two things- safety and comfort. the boat has to be sea worthy not to capsize if things turn bad quick. you also want a secondary means of propulsion if your first fails. you also want to be somewhat comfortable so the trip is somewhat fun.<br /><br />i took my 20' center console in the bay yesterday and got rocked! only 2' swells with heavy chop, but i realized it was too much. luckily, the boat was safe, but comfort was not there. i turned around. i don't have a second engine, but the bay is only 4 miles wide. if i lose propulsion, i can get help quick. i also will drift and hit land eventually.<br /><br />offshore is a different story. if your propulsion fails, you have to last long enough to wait for the help.<br /><br />with all that said, i personally feel a 19'-22' boat will provide enough safety and comfort for a trip up to 5 miles out. anything more, and you definately want something bigger with dual engines.<br /><br />good luck and enjoy-
 

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Tonygotskilz<br />I feel anything from a 14 foot open aluminum on up. It really depends on current conditions, weather forcast and skill of captain. I see a lot of 14 to 16 foot Aluminun boats out in seas 5 foot every 10 sec and they do just fine. I been on a 96 foot by 24 wide and the captain turned it around and refunded everyone money due to weather. I seen aircraft carriers delay their trip or alter course because of weather.<br />There are day a 21 foot boat can go out and be safe when a 14 foot would be unsafe. I have taken 3 Coast Guard classes and 2 US Power Squdrons classes. One of the first questions I ask was the same as yours. The answer was probably 12 foot or more. I then followed with "How small is too small when small craft advisories are up", answer around 16 foot.<br /><br />A 14 foot Aluminum open bow with a 15 hp motor and two 150 lb fisherman and light tackel is safe in 5 foot swell every 10 sec. Can he run full throttle at any angle to swells and be safe? NO. Can same boat carry 3 230 fisherman 100LB of tackle a 40 lb ice chest and 60 lb of fuel and be safe? NO.<br /><br />To be safe on the ocean requires alot. You need to know your area. Things like a strong ebb tide and incomeing wind and swell can get nasty fast. Swell coming in over a shallow water sandbar also becomes unsafe fast. Check current conditions, check the forcast, Know the normal patterns, learn to read the clouds. Best way I think to get current conditions is NOAA Weather Buoys, see link for one I use in my area at bottom. This info is brodcast on weather channels along with forcast, also the Coast Guard will give forcast at least 3 times a day. Know your boat and your crews ability. My 21 foot Closed bow Aluminum Runabout is safe out in 10 foot seas every 7 sec but no fun at all, so we will not launch if seas over 8 feet or closer together than 8 sec. We take this boat out 26 miles to Cordell Banks fishing area but we only do it on nice day with good forcasts. When seas are 5 foot every 10 seconds,very ccmmon here we see lots of 14, 15, and 16 foot Aluminum boats out fishing with no problems at all.<br /><br />To go OFFSHORE I feel need to have some extra saftey equipment. To start with need a second motor, can be a small kicker. You need a VHF radio, a GPS even in good weather, a good compass, a depth finder, a sea anchore, and a good regular anchore with lots of line. You need lifejack that fit and can wear all day long every day. Of course need the Coast Guard required flares. You need to learn how to drive in swells, this mean never sideways to swells and usually between 0 to 45 degrees into or away from swells. With a following sea raise you trim tabs and do not trim the bow low, ride the back of the swell but high enough you can see over swell to see where you are going and never go over a big swell. When it gets rough slow down.<br /><br /> http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.phtml?$station=46013
 

93bronco

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Re: Boat sizes for ocean fishing

i can tell you from my experience make sure what ever boat you use borderline to offshore it has a self bailing hull.<br />ive been out in the cooper river near the jetties and on lake moultrie- when that weather turns its usually fast with no mercy. you cant wait to get back to shore in a heavy rain. that rain can fill a bilge area quite fast on a non-bailing hull. the bilge pump can only pump so fast.<br />-<br />then there are my buddies who decided to take a 21ft suntracker pontoon out 5 to 10 miles, i am suprised to still be talking to them.<br />-<br />but yet i did go with them nite fishing one time we just barley made it to sullivans island when the wind picked up and we were in 5 to 8 ft swells in that dam pontoon at about 1am. the nickle size rain came and beat us for about 20 mins.<br />i never went with them again. a once in a life time experience for me.
 

jomac

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Like most have said! in one way or the other-- If you don't use common sense and good judgement there's not a big enough boat/ship made to be safe in :rolleyes: Ocean=Risk!
 

Snailman

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I've got a 1979 21' Wellcraft Cuddy (Modified Deep V) and I won't even leave the Rappahanock River to venture into the Chesapeake Bay!<br /><br />I'm very new to boating and I don't trust my boat handling skills should the weather change.<br /><br />I was out in rough water (2'-3' chop) on the river and kept broaching. I've done some reading on the subject and I now understand the problem but still need the experience and practice.<br /><br />My engine is 5 years old and reliable but I don't trust my fuel guage. I only have a hand-held VHF but I've found that my cell phone works just about everywhere I've gone. (I KNOW! Don't bet your life on a cell phone!)<br /><br />I'm going to beg one of my more experienced neighbors to go with me the first few times I head to The Bay. They always laugh at me though because I wear my SoSpenders while boating. :rolleyes: <br /><br />I imagine that a 21' Wellcraft Deep V Cuddy could handle a pretty good chop on The Bay with an experienced captain, no?
 

22WRF

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There a ton of excellent advice here.<br />I would just like to add boat handling is a acquired skill. <br />Books and courses are a must but not a substitute for hands on handling.<br />Going hand in hand with this is local knowledge. <br />The best way to aquire these two things are get and experienced local boater to go with under various conditions until you feel comfortable with your own knowledge and handling skill.<br />A boat is only as good as the Captain/Navigator.<br /><br />I have 2 passes in my area, Pensacola Pass and Alabama Point.<br /><br />With strong ebb tide and a SE sea breeze the waves in the pass will be 4-5's and they are standing there is no riding the back. It takes alot of throttle handling for safe passage.<br /><br />I have see a 40' Sail boat running on Aux that was losing way in the pass on fairly decent day.
 

SeaMasterZ@aol.com

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I posted something to this effect in another forum, let me see if I can find it
 

SeaMasterZ@aol.com

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I had a 14 foot Nichols "back in the day" with a 12 horse mc culloch motor, decent motor, once I figured it out ... I put in at cape may harbor, figured I would run it around a bit .. well, it went up on plane with ease, and I was surprised how fast it went (bear in mind, this is a early seventies, smoothbottomed semi v with a narrow beam style boat, not one of the brawny high wide deep boats of today)<br /><br />one of the four hour boats comes past, loaded with fish .. where??? right off the concrete ship!<br /><br />for those unfamiliar with Cape May NJ, the concrete ship sits right off the beach at the tip of cape may, where bay and ocean meet<br /><br />So I go down the canal, past the ferries, and out into the glassine bay<br /><br />Beautiful day, light wind, flat water - and the fish are ON, whew, sweating a bit<br /><br />ah, that feels better, a little cool breeze, and the sun isnt beating down anymore.<br /><br />Then I heard it ... that deep rolling bass of thunder - and the thunderheads are INLAND, but no way to tel which way they are running<br /><br />twenty years later, DUH, head right into the beach, its a johnboat for christ sakes<br /><br />but at the time - I was torn, head to the inlet on the ocean side, which was swells or the ferry side which was rapidly chopping up - I chose the bay side, and started making my way back ... the boat was pounding like hell in the chop, I was soaked, and bailing spray out like wild, and the waves kept getting bigger - since I was in the back, the bow was elevated, but STILL ... it was a foot deep boat! I was already mourning the loss of a good running motor if I sank the damn thing, never even considering it would be ME taking a header too<br /><br />after a roller coaster ride thru the inlet, where a big foamer dropped its top into the boat ... a few inches of water worth, my new boat slid into the relatively calm waters of the canal, with me bailing her out some more, lighting striking all over the place - the purring mc culloch went dead.<br /><br />only then did I bother to check the gas tank - it was empty.<br /><br />I switched over to the full one, and the implications of what could have happened if the motor had cut out five minutes ago. one SECOND of lost power and it would have been taps time for yours truly - but I had wanted to run the partial tank out, lol, sheesh the things you think of<br /><br />prime it, pull it (behave) and it cranked right up.<br /><br />the funny thing .. I wasnt scared out in the bay, too concerned with not making any MORE mistakes that would kill me (and drown that beaut of a motor)<br /><br />Approaching the cape may bridge, I saw it get hit with lighting ... and was deathly afraid to go under it, I read that lighting could "git ya" under a bridge<br /><br />Eventually, I did not die<br /><br />I might not have kissed the dock when I got back, but I was glad to get off that boat and into the shelter of the rubber insulated van -<br /><br />and thus was born the perfect name for a little tin boat used fairly regularily out in Delaware Bay ...<br /><br />Hydrophobia :)
 

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Around here the standard fair for going out 7 miles all day - for several days on end with no radio - is a tree trunk about 20 feet long and 3 feet in diameter that has been hollowed out and shaped like a canoe. Then a 40 hp kicker like a Yammie, Mariner, Honda, or Johnny is added to it and the fuel supplied by a 40gal drum! Seems to work okay - only have about 3 or 4 drownings per year! A couple hundred of these leave from my town each morning and head out to catch 100 pound tuna, red snapper, 7 foot hammerheads, and assorted other fishes. Oh, did I mention they use handlines for this?<br /><br />So, what works? Whatever you have been taught to use and use safely!
 

blofish4

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There is some good advice on here go with at least a 22-24' and definitly a kicker plate. I have a 26' seaswirl and I am a experienced captain Offshore in Texas and I agree in no way shape or form would I even consider a boat smaller than a 24' for offshore. <br />I have a boaters assistance Lic. and I cannot even begin to tell ya how many people I have helped for money and for free who go out a beautiful day seas 1-2 and it change in 2 to 3 hrs. of fishing to 4-5 footers. <br />They wouldn't have made the wait even for the coast guard.<br />I can take mine in 9' without a problem but,only if I have to. I have been trained hands on and have lots of water time over 20 yrs. and when i hear some on the boards talking 17-19' going offshore it sends chills even in flat seas.<br />Tight Lines,<br />Capt.Bill
 

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Well sorry to say this farthers day weekend a 32 foot by about 12 wide was not big enough and the captain made a bad mistake. Boat capsized while crossing a shallow water bar with 19 on board. 9 did not make it but no one wearing a life Jacket died. Pictures from the shore of Coast Guard rescue showed large breakers near shore and out to about 300 yards. I will bet they find near low tide and on the EBB tide. Crossing shallow water allways dangerous with large swells as swells will peak up and then break. At high tide and the flood tide even with the same size seas I bet very safe to get in and out. Reports say looked like captain tried to go around a larger wave and got sideways on the swell. Too early to tell but I think more likely either hit bottom or was trying to make a turn to head back in. Water temperature in that area 50 degrees in summer. Area about 600 miles north of where I do most of my saltwater boating. Water temperature down here 54 degrees this time of year.
 
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