Boat struggling to get on plane

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Here's the specifics. I've got a new to me trophy 21', with a 29"transom and a Mercury optimax 150, 25".
Prop is:​ Mercury Vengeance (13 1/8 X 16")
I think I'm about 3.5" too high, see pic
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ybbAwMfM3VdBv7Wg9

I can drop the motor 1 hole as it is right now. I think that gains about 1". I also bought a jack plate. Will moving the motor away from the transom help? Should I look into getting another prop? Thanks in advance.
 

WesNewell

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Moving it away from transom will help. Water flow rises about 3/8" for every inch moved back from the transom, so a 4" jack plate will allow water flow to be higher. How much will depend on speed, but with a jack plate you should also be able to adjust height more. I wouldn't worry about prop pitch until you get the engine mounted where you want it and get some numbers to compare.
 

dingbat

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Year and model of Trophy?
How much fuel onboard?
If it’s a 30” transom you have the wrong motor
Trim tabs?
What is your WOT speed and rpm?

What do you consider “struggling” to get on plane?

My best friend ran a 21’ Trophy with a 4.6 Mercruiser (220 hp) for a number of years. Ass end heavy....rather doggie out of the hole in general.

Messing with engine heights and offsets are performance tweaks, they are not solutions.

What I would do: assuming operator error isn’t part of the problem.

1. Verify 25” or 30” shaft motor requirement.
2. Change over to high lift prop
3. add trim tabs
 
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The jack plate I bought has a 5" offset. It's a 1989 2103 center console. With a full tank (95 gallons) , 4 adults, and a full 30 gallon bait tank it was very difficult to get on plane. I may have to run with fewer humans and a half tank of gas. As far as I can tell, the transom is 28" ( I held a yard stick flush with the hull and measured up). I don't have trim tabs. Wide open with the above load I can get to 26 @ 5300 rpm, but I can't back off the throttle hardly at all or I fall off plane. Really trying to avoid buying another motor at this point.
 

Starcraft5834

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your running a 3 blade now? put a 4 blade prop on it... your a few hundred below recommended rpm ranges now... 4 blade in same pitch u have now should push you out of hole quicker and get near recommended rpms... my 2 c
 

Scott Danforth

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based on your picture you need to either set the motor back or drop it down 4"

your 5" jack plate offset will be equal to about 2" off lowering. you need to lower it another 2" beyond that.
 

gm280

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"Boat struggling to get on plane" Try a C5 cargo plane. I bet it fits on that plane... :sorry: I just had to do it...

Seems everyone has basically already covered every option but cutting the transom. And while that isn't a great option, it is an option all the same. But only if you are capable of cutting it and repairing the cut area to make it look like it was original and properly sealed from water intrusion as well. There really isn't anything else left to suggest then what's already been stated!
 

dingbat

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The jack plate I bought has a 5" offset. It's a 1989 2103 center console. With a full tank (95 gallons) , 4 adults, and a full 30 gallon bait tank it was very difficult to get on plane.
Your asking an awful lot of a 150 HP motor to get a fully loaded on plane.

What is your Max. weight limit? You got to be pushing #1,800 with that load

My boat gets sluggish with a full load (max. 2,130) and I'm pushing it with 200 HP (216 dyno). Ideally I should be running a 250 HP
 

Texasmark

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Here's the specifics. I've got a new to me trophy 21', with a 29"transom and a Mercury optimax 150, 25".
Prop is:​ Mercury Vengeance (13 1/8 X 16")
I think I'm about 3.5" too high, see pic
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ybbAwMfM3VdBv7Wg9

I can drop the motor 1 hole as it is right now. I think that gains about 1". I also bought a jack plate. Will moving the motor away from the transom help? Should I look into getting another prop? Thanks in advance.

2 problems: As you realized you are too high and second, you have a prop for a 4 ¼" gearbox...the size used on 90 thru 125 3 and 4 cylinder engines. you need to be up in the 14-15" diameter range.....that might get you a whole inch.

You said you could drop a hole, that's 2". Pushing a trophy 21 which is a lot of boat even for a 150, I would expect that the engine would have to have the AV plate pretty much even with the bottom of the hull, surely not more than 1" up.....so at 1" up, that's 3.

The big guns on here, and some still frequent the site, used 1" up for 6" setback. Install your jack plate which should get you the 6" setback, and you have consumed your additional 4".

Haven't looked lately, but if your bottom is stepped, that is the end of the "keel area"...if it had one, vs the actual transom area are not on the same vertical plane,like the former is recessed under the boat somewhat, you already have 6" of setback. Pad hulls, used on Bass Boats, use this kind of stern setup. Give them extra setback for high transom settings and more speed, and provides a convenient out of the way place to put all the plugs and access ports for the drain plug, and the live well fill and drain hoses.

Having that setback built in will allow you to drop your engine, get a prop (diameter) suited for your engine and you should be good to go. Nothing else to do.

I am assuming that you can't get up because you are ventilating terribly...rpms way up, thrust way down, if you get up it's a long slow process.

The Vengeance seems to have all Mercury SS prop attributes except for porting and maybe a bit shy on "rake"...terms defined up top in the iboats prop sales section....definitions.

Porting in the prop (port/vent holes under the leading edge of each blade), will help you to get out of the hole, as long as the prop blades can grasp the water....fresh new water, not what's behind the transom like your current situation. The ports decrease the mass of the water allowing the rpms to increase faster for a given load. Since idle to about mid rated rpms is where torque and rpm both rise and torquexrpms/5252 is HP and HP is what spins the prop which develops thrust to push your boat, you want them to get up reasonably fast...ports can help that happen, yet leave you with a goodly amount of pitch for your top end running at a good clip.....you don't penalize your top end speed for your hole shot...best of both worlds.
 
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the help. I installed the jack plate and larger prop today. Boat is planning on less than 5 seconds. I'm stoked.
 
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