Bogging out

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
I recently purchased a used ski boat with a early 80's Chrysler Force 125hp outboard. When I first got it into the water it ran beautifully, for about ten minutes. After that the engine was still running full throttle, but was not putting anything out. We maxed out at about ten mph. I have had it tested by a local mechanic, but they told me they didnt have the right equipment to properly test it and couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. I am about at wits end, and will appreciate any help. I don't have much technical knowledge, but can follow directions. Thanks so much.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

Your propeller may be slipping on the rubber insert that's in the propeller hub.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

I'm not sure how much force it takes to turn a propeller that is slipping on the rubber insert, so I'm going to suggest that you post the question here on the forum.
 

pnwboat

Rear Admiral
Joined
Oct 8, 2007
Messages
4,251
Re: Bogging out

To check to see if your HUB is spun, mark the rubber insert and the metal portion of the prop that the rubber insert is pressed in to. The two marks should line up. Take it out and give it a try. Stop the engine and take a look at the two marks. If they no longer line up, then the prop is spinning on the HUB.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

Is it possible that you are saying that the throttle lever is in the wide open position but the engine isn't turning the rpm it should?
Like it's running throttled back at the full throttle position?
 

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

I had thought about that, but I have removed the cover while this was happening and the throttle arm between the two carbs was fully open. I dont think that I am getting the RPM I am supposed to, but I do know that the throttle is wide open. Also, there was an earlier idea that the propeller might be slipping so I pulled it. None of the splines on either the propeller or the shaft were nicked or broke so I doubt thats the problem. I also drained the lower unit oil (wasn't planning on it, but it started leaking) and it was a mix of a yellowish fluid and a dark slick black oil. The two were not mixed inside the engine, but both drained out the lower drain plug. Any idea what that could mean.
 

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

Forgot to mention that the oil was coming out of the water return, or output, or whatever it is called. Honestly this concerns me a little.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

Check your fuel tank for trash, also the gas pickup tube in the tank, make sure it's not clogged up.
Tighten the clamps on your fuel line and make sure there's not leaking air.
Check the fuel line connectors on each end of the gas line for air leaks and finally make sure the primer bulb in the gas line is staying pumped up when hooked to the engine.
If the primer ball in the gas line is staying pumped up with the gas line disconnected from the engine the check valve in the primer bulb is malfuntioning and the primer bulb would need replacing!
Next I would recommend rebuilding the fuel pump, it's not expensive to do!

Disconnect the battery (FOR SAFTEY!).
Remove the fuel bowls from the carbs, one at a time with the gas line disconnected from the motor, there will probably be some fuel in each bowl so be prepaired to catch it in a little container.
Check for trash in each bowl, notice each float and inlet needle to see if they are moving freely and not sticking, push the float on each carb up with your finger, when closed the floats should be about level. While your there check the throttle and choke plates in the carb barrels to be sure there not sticking and are opening up properly.
If the float and inlet needles appear to be funtioning properly close up the carbs for now.
Clean any gas spills from removal of the carb bowls and wait awhile for the fumes to disapate!

While waiting check all engine ground wires and tighten, and any other wiring to be sure all connections are tight.

(WHEN THE GAS FUMES HAVE CLEARED), clean the battery posts on the battery and battery cable terminals. Connect the battery.
Make sure the battery is fully charged so the engine will crank over acceptablely.

Test each spark plug for a crisp blue spark! Follow the instructions in your manual.
Remember the flywheel is out in the open and rotating during the spark test procedure and you will want to keep you hands, clothing, hair, etc. clear of the flywheel!

The next step would be to test fire the engine and see the results of any repairs made following this procedure.
If started on the trailer make sure there is a good water supply to the engine and that the motor is pumping water well before continuing!

When test running the boat on the water after changing the lower unit oil check the lower unit oil for water when you get back in!
Keep the first test run short in case you are getting some water in the lower unit!

Always use new washers on the flat head screws that go in the lower unit when changing the lower unit oil and use removable lock tight on the allen head screw in the bottom of the lower unit so it can be gotten out later! And never remove the pivot shaft screw!

These are some of the things I check each year as regular upkeep on my engine and it doesn't take a lot of time!
Hopefully there will be something here that will help you or at least point you in the right direction. Good Luck!
 

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

That is great! Thanks so much!!! Hopefully something in there will help a little.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

There are other things to try but these steps in my opinion need to be verified first!
 

H20 2go

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
6
Re: Bogging out

Im not very familiar with the chrysler out boards but its sound like the clutch mechanism between your motor and drive is slipping if your motor revs but doesn't produce similar torque at the prop. They generally use a wet type of clutch where the viscosity of the gear oil is important for its operation yellow in your gear oil is generally an indication of water and if you have oil coming out of your return you should be losing it in your lower unit then. Like I said Im not very familiar with the inner workings of the chrysler but in other out board syou would generaly be looking at a crack in the housing internally in the water jacket which Im not aware of any repairs available for this type of damage just replacement.
 

jerryjerry05

Supreme Mariner
Joined
May 7, 2008
Messages
18,074
Re: Bogging out

The FIRST thing to do with almost any motor problem is to do a compression
test. Compression on this motor should be within 10-15# of each other.
If the motor sounds like it is revving up but no speed:the prop is probably spun.Put it in gear and lock the flywheel and stand on the prop to see if it turns.If it doesn't turn then remove and mark the hub:the splines won't show any damage with a spun hub.The rubber in side the hub has broken loose.
The milky color is from water.If you have 2 colors then it's probably leaking around the drain seal.
There is no clutch mechanisim in these Chrysler outboards.If it was working before your drive train is probably ok. It needs to be pressure tested.
If you can't test the prop see if you can borrow one from somewhere.
That is probably your problem. Jerry
 

eurolarva

Rear Admiral
Joined
Jun 24, 2003
Messages
4,182
Re: Bogging out

A spun prop is not going to show nicks or signs of wear. Also a prop is under so much torque that you will not be able to tell it is spun by trying to turn it by hand. If motor is running at a certain speed and the RPMs jump up but the boat does not accelerate your first place to check is for a spun hub which was previously mentioned. If you are getting a clunk and or ticking sound your gears could be worn. Do the permanent marker thing on the prop first.
 

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

So first let me say thank you to everyone. I have tried several of the things suggested so far and each has turned up something. I still am not sure how to check for a spun hub as everyone keeps referring to. I have pulled the prop off a couple times, and removed parts all the way back until I came across a gasket, probably paper or something similar. At this point I didn't think it a good idea to go any farther without a replacement for the gasket. Does anyone have easy instructions on how to check for a spun hub when not in the water, or while in the water.
Again, thanks everyone for all of the help.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

Don't go any futher!
Take your propeller off sit it on the work bench with the flared side up, the side the nut is on when the propellers on the engine, now look down at the splines there's rim around the splines about an eighth of an inch wide.
Take a pointed punch and a small hammer and punch a small mark in the rim that runs around the splines, not the splines, move stright across from the punch mark you've just made and punch another small mark on the flat of the hub, put the propeller back on the lower unit and take the boat for a test run, open the throttle to run as you normally would at speed, bring the boat in take the propeller off and see if the two punch marks are still lined up, if not the propeller hub has slipped on the rubber hub, you would need to have rehubbed or buy a new propeller!
If the marks are still lined up the propeller didn't slip!
But it's got to do like it did when you first described it, full throttle ten miles an hour or so, if you get out there and it runs wide open at speed you won't be able to tell anything!
 

Attachments

  • Picture 273.jpg
    Picture 273.jpg
    55.9 KB · Views: 0
  • Picture 275.jpg
    Picture 275.jpg
    54.8 KB · Views: 0

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

Are you saying that if I buy a new propeller I can eliminate the possibility that the hub is slipping? My old lady already wants to buy a stainless steel prop and if that could narrow down the possible problems I am all about that.
 

maxum247

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
1,363
Re: Bogging out

I would buy a repair manual for the engine at this point and do more research about what the problem may be before investing in a new propeller.
 

cdfran

Cadet
Joined
May 19, 2008
Messages
16
Re: Bogging out

I have a manual for the engine but cant seem to find this process in it anywhere. What heading should I look for?
 

eurolarva

Rear Admiral
Joined
Jun 24, 2003
Messages
4,182
Re: Bogging out

Unless you have a seloc or clymer manual I doubt it will give directions. Mine is a chrysler however you should get the idea. The cone at the prop end is attached to the prop shaft so it spins just like the prop. When the rubber hub in the prop breaks the prop will slip under torque and then the red line you see will no longer line up. It is pretty simple to do. Just use a black sharpie magic marker and put a line on your prop like you see in the pic. When the motor surges or has problems kill the motor and look at the prop and see if it is still lined up.
prop.jpg
 
Top