Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Kenneth Brown

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This fellas makes me SICK!<br /><br /><br />U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols <br /><br />By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer<br />Inland Valley Daily Bulletin <br /><br />While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are.<br />According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.<br />A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.<br /><br />"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.<br /><br />"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."<br /><br />Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.<br /><br />"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.<br /><br />"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."<br /><br />Officials with the Mexican consulate in Washington, D.C., could not be reached for comment Monday.<br /><br />Martinez said reporting the location of immigrant apprehensions to consulate representatives is common practice if an illegal immigrant requests counsel or believes they have been mistreated.<br /><br />"Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen."<br /><br />Martinez said Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes, a belief the Border Patrol hoped to allay by entering into the cooperative agreement.<br /><br />One of the documents on the Web site, "Actions of the Mexican Government in Relation to the Activities of Vigilante Groups," states that Mexican consulate representatives stay in close contact with Border Patrol chiefs to ensure the safety of migrants trying to enter the U.S., those being detained and the actions of all "vigilantes" along the border.<br /><br />"The Mexican consul in Presidio also contacted the chief of the Border Patrol in the Marfa Sector to solicit his cooperation in case they detect any activity of vigilantes,' and was told to immediately contact the consulate if there was," according to the document.<br /><br />"Presidio" refers to Presidio County, Texas, which is in the Big Bend region and a gateway to northern Mexico.<br /><br />The document also describes a meeting with San Diego Border Patrol sector chief Darryl Griffen.<br /><br />"(Griffen) said that the Border Patrol will not permit any violence or any actions contrary to the law by the groups, and he is continuously aware of (the volunteer organizations') operations," according to the document. "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented Mexicans."<br /><br />The documents specifically named the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and its patrols, which began monitoring Arizona's southern border in April 2005, as well as Friends of the Border Patrol, a Chino-based nonprofit.<br /><br />TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing more than 10,000 Border Patrol agents, said agents have complained for years about the Mexican consulate's influence over the agency.<br /><br />"It worries me (that the Mexican government) seems to be unduly influencing our enforcement policies. That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," Bonner said, though he added, "It doesn't surprise me."<br /><br />Border Patrol agents interviewed by the Daily Bulletin said they have been asked to report to sector headquarters the location of all civilian volunteer groups, but to not file the groups' names in reports if they spot illegal immigrants.<br /><br />"Last year an internal memo notified all agents not to give credit to Minuteman volunteers or others who call in sightings of illegal aliens," said one agent, who spoke on the condition he not be identified. "We were told to list it as a citizen call and leave it at that. Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls."<br /><br />The document also mentions locations of field operations of Friends of the Border Patrol, which patrolled the San Diego sector from June to November 2005. Mexican officials had access to the exact location of the group founded by Andy Ramirez, which ran its patrols from the Rough Acre Ranch, a private property in McCain Valley.<br /><br />Ramirez said that for safety reasons, he disclosed the location of his ranch patrol only to San Diego Border Patrol and law enforcement officials. The group did not apprehend or spot any undocumented migrants in that area.<br /><br />"We did not release this information ... to the media or anyone else," Ramirez said. "We didn't want to publicize that information. But there it is, right on the Mexican government's Web site, and our government gave it to them." <br /><br />Visit the Mexican Government's Secretary of Foreign Relations Web Site. Third Report on the Activities of Vigilantes.
 

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

No shock there. minutemen wer to come to Abilene (50 or so) local media treated them like they were leppers. Go figure :(
 

Speedwagon

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Are the minutemen actually doing something WRONG? I mean, everyone is entitled to perform a citizen's arrest, right? So as long as they don't beat the crap out of these guys, what's the problem?<br /><br />Or, are they beating the crap out of these guys for no reason? Or are they shooting them instead or something?
 

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

I have yet to hear of them getting out of line in any way, just average citizens and x policemen doing what they think our govt should be doing.<br /> I think on the news thing the news groups are scaired of being politically incorrect, and might offend thier latino listeners. Which here is a bunch of people.
 

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"The Mexican consul in Presidio also contacted the chief of the Border Patrol in the Marfa Sector to solicit his cooperation in case they detect any activity of vigilantes,' and was told to immediately contact the consulate if there was," according to the document.
Ok, I find this funny. For the Mexican government, who speaks Spanish, to use the word in a negative context like the US would use it...<br /><br />
There is no absolute definition of a vigilante. The Latin root of the word, vigil, indicates that a vigilante is one who watches or is observant, and indeed in Spanish, vigilante translates as 'watchman.' In modern Western society, the term is frequently applied to those citizens who "take the law into their own hands," meting out homebrew justice when they perceive that the actions of established authorities are insufficient. Vigilantism is sometimes vilified when it gives way to criminal behavior on the part of the vigilante.
 

heycods

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Speed But thier were no negative or vigalantie reports of the minutemen activitys last year. We all realize it could get out of hand in a heartbeat, just let the minutemen run across a group of well armed dope smugglers, and we will have a major problem on our hands.<br /> The simple answer is for the border petrol to do thier job, if they need more help lets get it to them. All the minutemen did last year was report the illegals crossing the border to the border petrol.
 

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Hmmm... seems to me that if the illegals dont want to be mistreated, they should stay in their own country.<br /><br />Its amazing the rights these criminals have.<br /><br />And none of this surprises me. Seems like Border Patrol has turned into a group that is more concerned with the saftey and rights of illegals rather than the prevention of them crossing. We need healthy laborers ya know.<br /><br />Ken
 

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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> Its amazing the rights these criminals have.<br />
It’s kind of weird but in some ways an illegal alien has more rights than a citizen does. Someone from Mexico can abandon their wife and 14 kids and come to America and get a driver’s license in many states. Any citizen that is $1 behind in support payments can have their drv lic suspended in EVERY state...thanks to legislation signed by Bill Klinton.<br /><br />Why a young person today would choose to stay a US citizen is beyond me.
 
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Re: Border Patrol...letting Mexico know where Minutemen are?....

Our USBP takes its orders from the top.<br /><br />This is ONE subject I VEHEMENTLY disagree with GWB on.
 
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