Boyesen Power Reeds

muchco

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I have a 1987 Evinrude 150XP. Does any one have any thoughts or experince with the Boyesen Power Reeds? If so how did they work out? Is it worth the invesment? What kind of gains did you notice( RPM increase, top end speed)?
 

walleyehed

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Re: Boyesen Power Reeds

Forget the top-end..ya won't see much there...Idle quality and mid-range punch is where they show the most.
 

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Re: Boyesen Power Reeds

When installing the Boyesen Reeds, do you have to rejet or can the stock jetting be used? Thanks for your response.
 

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They suggest you richen up the low speed mixture. A lean fire spit back can damage the fiber reed tips. I have been running mine a good long time, and my finding's are the same as Kenny say's. I feel they are worth the money.
 

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You have to enrichen the Idle circut...<br />If you have Idle air Bleeds, go about 3 sizes smaller(less air, more fuel), and if you have Idle mixture jets go 3-5 sizes larger...3 will usually get it.<br />Other than that, no other rejetting is required...<br /><br />EDIT: sorry R.J., I don't peck very fast!
 

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Re: Boyesen Power Reeds

Thanks for the responses. This may sound like a stupid question but on my 150XP Model #E150STLCUR how do I determine if the carbs have Idle bleeds (air) or Idle mixture jets (fuel)?
 

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A manual would be best (OEM) to explain the different carb types used, and the location of those parts.
 

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The stock steel reeds in a crossflow V4 & V6 start to flutter at about 6300-6500 rpm. When that happens the motor kinda hits a wall and wont go any more.<br /><br />The Boyesen reeds will allow the motor to zip right past that. If youre there now, you may see some top rpm gain. If youre not, then -- like the guys mentioned -- you probably wont see any top rpm gains. Idle quality and response, yes.
 

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Dhadley, I have the stock power packs on my engine, and I belive they have a 5800 rev limiter. I currently only run at 5100 rpm at 50 mph gps, using a 14 1/2" X 20 pitch raker. DC 175 Larson boat approx weight 2500 lbs.Engine is mounted on the third whole from the top. I have tried the fourth whole but it cavitated bad while cornering, even when trimed in. I'm working on the setup and proping to get it closer to that 5800 range. I have tried a 19 Viper and a 19 SST and seen no increase in WOT RPM and speed was down 2 or 3 mph. I'm thinking of trying a 17 Viper or a 18 Raker. Do you think that these would be wise prop choices. Does the RPM and speed sound correct for my application? I should get the set up right before I start adding parts or I will not know what the base line is. Your thoughts and input would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Engine is nearly the same as mine, and your boat weight is A tad lighter...I'd like to listen in on Dhadley's thoughts. It looks to me like the tach could be off "slightly", or you have an incredibly efficient set-up...
 

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I would agree -- we might need to verify the tach. At 50 mph and 5100 rpm youre at about 4% slip. Thats darn good. I'm not sure we could improve on that.<br /><br />By any chance do you have a Teleflex tach?<br /><br />I would have expected the Raker to be better than either a Viper or the SST II. They're good props.
 

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Walleyhead, what combination of boat, motor and prop are you running. I had a Teleflex tach and I as well was concerned about my tach reading Before I winterized the boat this past fall I replaced the Telflex tach with a brand new BRP OMC tach and had it checked agaist my local marine's shop tach. I ran another lake test and the results were the same. Speed was checked on several occasions with my GPS. I also installed a new BRP OMC Speedometer at the same time as the tach and it's withing a 1 mph of the GPS. I'm curious to know what your setup is like as compared to mine. I'm also curious as to what Dhadleys thoughts are as I believe he still has a 150 crossflow he runs. Look forward to the responses.
 

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BTW -- be careful about some of the advise youre getting over on screamin & dreamin -- some of those guys dont understand your carbs. One guy has pointed that out and I'm pretty sure you caught it.
 

muchco

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Thank You for the warning Dhadley, in all the forums everyone speaks highly of you and your advice.I trust and look forward to you comments. I think you must be talkin about the idle AIR bleed jets and to richin the mixture I have to go smaller 3 to 5 sizes. In regards to the prop slip on my current set up the calculator I used on the net showed about 8 - 9 % slip. Just to make sure I used 1.86 gear ratio, 5100 rpm and 50 mph GPS. Am I doing somthing wrong? Does it make sense that the 19 Viper and 19 SST I tried pulled the same WOT rpm? I can understand that they would be slower but I thought I would get a little more RPM. I think that the aggresive rake on the raker prop gives me more bow lift thus more speed. I hopin the 18 raker is the ticket to get the RPM up. Let me know your thoughts.
 

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O...K... :rolleyes: hope nobody seen that, I'll have to take'em outback to the wood shed if they did.....<br />Muchco, we'll discuss my rig after Dhadley has answered your questions pertaining to the situation at hand, BUT, I can tell you it's no surprise to see those 19's running the same RPM as the 20 Raker...it lifts well, provides less wetted surface and thats why the RPM is the same.<br />My question would be..Are you sure it's a 20P, Has it been worked or repaired?? and, is it in like-new condition??? The Raker is performing just as my tests indicate on my boat..it's them same rpm, but the less wetted surface is decreasing drag, and that's why the others are 2-3mph slower...that part makes sense, the slip numbers don't. I show about Identicle slip numbers that Dhadley has posted, hence the question of the tach. Let's see what DH says...
 

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Walleyehed, the prop has never been repaired and is like new condition. What slip calculator do you use? I have tried 2 different ones on the internet and get the same numbers. The calculator says to add 1 inch of pitch for cupped props. So I have been inputing 21 as the pitch instead of 20. This is one of the slip calculators I used:<br /> http://www.go-fast.com/Prop_Slip_Calculator.htm <br />Take a look at this calculator and let me know if I'm missing somthing. We will wait for Dahdleys response. <br />Muchco
 

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I just ran the numbers again and got about 52.5 as therotical speed with a 20" prop turning 2742 (5100 divided by 1.86).<br /><br />Was the GPS 50 mph with any current or such? I assume not. If it was that affect it somewhat...<br /><br />The BRP tachs are usually right on and it sure seems youve done your homework on verifying it. <br /><br />I'd have the same question as Kenny -- are you sure its a 20" Raker and is it as produced? The venting thing kinda got my attention. They're pretty good about not doing that. Especially up only a couple inches or so.
 

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The prop appears to be in factory form and undamaged. I will have borrow a brand new 20 pitch raker from my dealer and try it. Of course I will have to wait until April or so to do a lake test up here. All things being equal what should the numbers look like if we assume that the 50 mph GPS is the speed with a 20 pitch prop what should the RPM and Slip % be? I guess what I'm asking in my application what should or would be the expected amount of slip? I appreciate your patience, unfortunetly I will have to wait a few months to do any more testing. Muchco
 

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Dont worry about the patience, this is cool stuff.<br /><br />Lets assume that the tach and gps are correct. If the prop happens to be a 22, then the slip comes in around 13 - 14% and thats very much in the ballpark.<br /><br />I'm not saying its not a 20, its just a real good 20 if it is.
 

muchco

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Thanks for the response. So with the information we have, speed of 50mph GPS and using a realistic slip figure of 15% I have one of two things going on. I have a 20 pitch prop pulling like a 22 pitch or I have yet another inaccurate tach reading. My calculations tell me that if the prop is a true 20 pitch that I should be running about 5500 rpm now instead of the indicated 5100 rpm. I am just dying now to get back onto the lake to see<br />what variable is out. I may have solved the low RPM problem without changing anything except another faulty tach that would be under warranty. The marina's shop tach would be their problem. Or I will be looking for new 20 pitch raker that pulls like a 20. All this is elementary until the ice goes and we can go after some real test data again. Once again I thank you for corresponding with me, I agree this is great dialouge. Walleyhed now that Dhadley and I have worked this to death until I can get back on the lake and test, what are you running compared to myself? Engine, Boat, Prop, RPM, Speed and slip. This would give me somthing to think about till Mid April. Thanks for your time and input. Muchco
 
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