Breakers or Fuses?

Wishin I was Fishin

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I will be rewiring my 17' BlueFin soon. I am in the process of planning and drawing the diagrams. My question is since I am starting from scratch I can pretty much go either route. Are breaker panels a better way to go than fuse panels? I would like to get waterproof either way. Items to be wired are as follows: Nav lights, a couple of small task lights, fish finder, bilge pump, motor start, electric trolling motor, and maybe even a couple electric downriggers, oh and a modest stereo cd player. :cool:
 

cjames

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

I like a fuse block and switches. Mount the fuse block in a nice dry, secure area, and use waterproof switches outside in the cockpit. Less expencive, and I feel that fuses are more reliable too, unless you buy some really nice high quality breakers. Not to mention a Heck of alot cheaper to keep spare fuses...
 

Silvertip

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

And by all means use the auto (blade-style) fuses. Heres a generic diagram you can use as a guide.

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And here is a method of using an inexpensive ON-OFF-ON switch instead of the special NAV-ANCHOR switch.

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Kevin W

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

Fuses would be the way I would go.
1. Fuses are alot cheaper
2. fuses are less apt to corrode.
3. fuses almost never malfunction.

In most cases you won't blow alot of fuses unless you have poor wiring or a somthing failing.
just keep a few spare fuses in case of an issue.
 

Wishin I was Fishin

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

Is there a downside to getting the fuse/switch panels rather than doing seperate bus, fuse and switches?
It seems easier to go the with the prewired panels rather than re-inventing the wheel.
 

cjames

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

i like my fuse block tucked away, nice and dry, out of the elements. I like blade style fuses too. take that for what its worth because I also like fooling around with all things mechanical and electrical, so I have fun re-inventing the wheel.
 

ziggy

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

i didn't have any room for a breaker panal on my ol boat. ended up gettin a fuse block here off iboats. i got the blue sea 6 circut one, but there's a 12 circut one too....here's the way mine turned out. it's mounted under the dash out of sight out of mind.

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i now have 4 circuts. got me a cigg. light socket so i could plug a spot light in...

before someone dogs my azz, :). to do a better job than i did., soldered with marine sticky shrink tube would be a better connection. my next order and i'll get the parts i need and make it proper....
 

Big Keepers

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

In my mechanics class we are currently rigging a 19' Grady dual console. Brand new 150 Suzuki 4 stroke and all new gauges. We needed to re-wire the switch/gauge panel with all new stuff and we're using these neat 10A breaker switches. The caps unscrew like fuses and underneath is a push button breaker type fuse button. They are a bit bigger than round fuse holders but they'll fit the same holes. I'm sure they cost a bit more but seems like a nice way to go.

Me I'm re-wiring my boat too, well actually new wiring since I'm rebuilding the boat. I'm using the battery link and on/off switch from Blue Sea. I'll have a house and a starting battery. From the house I'll power up a bus bar for my switch panel and accessory electronics plus power port (cig. lighter.) I'm going to make a regular switch panel with round fuse holders and switches. The GPS/Depth Finder combo I will buy has its own fuse inline as will the VHF. The cig. lighter will have its own even if I have to wire it in. They should have one. Off the bus I'm going to also need power for a cabin light or two.

From the switch panel I'll have switches for Nav/anchor, 2 bilge pumps, courtesy lights in the boat, cockpit lights (I want a switch separate from the Nav switch) and I think two accessory switches. I'm hoping to get away with a 10 terminal bus but I may need a 20 terminal one. I don't think they make a 15 terminal bus. I have a copy of the ABYC specs for electric wiring in boats and I plan on following it as closely as possible. It'll make it look that much better when I go for a coast guard inspection and if/when a marine surveyor looks at it.

For wiring up stuff like the anchor light and courtesy lights I'm going to buy some lengths of twin wire wrapped in its own insulation. It looks like the household stuff you use to wire switches and outlets but obviously a lot smaller. That stuff is relatively inexpensive and very much coast guard approved. Its also watertight so its a great buy for bilge pumps, anchor lights, etc. Ancor sells these neat butt connectors with shrink wrap ends. Also loved by the CG.

So while we're on the topic of electric, does anyone know where I can find a list of current draw for different things on a boat? I'm curious how much a VHF draws, a depth finder combo, all that. I heard somewhere that a VHF needs 1A to receive and 5A to transmit. Also that GPS combo units need about 3A. I'd like to verify somehow. I'm gonna use LED courtesy lights if possible, they draw milliamps. I figure the cabin lights will draw about 3A each too. I'd like to know all this.

Good luck to all those re-wiring their boats.
 

drewpster

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Re: Breakers or Fuses?

I hope someone more knowledgeable than me will elaborate on this point. One difference between fuses and breakers is the speed at which they open a short circuit. While it may seem instantaneous their is a span of time it takes for the fuse or breaker to open the circuit when a short occurs. During this time the amp surge is considerable. My wish list for electronics is long and very expensive. (maybe one day)
One thing is for sure, I want the circuit to open quickly before the surge kills my electronics. Another consideration is rating quality. Fuses are mass produced and while the number may say 15 amps, the actual amps it takes to open the fuse can be lower or higher. The really high end vessels I have looked at all use breakers to protect the circuits having electronic users. I have also seen mixed systems where fuses and breakers are used. But the really important expensive stuff like navigation, radar and the like always use breakers. I assume because of the time curve I mentioned and possibly higher quality control in the way they are made.
My boat will use both. It is almost certain my wiring will kill the system faster than the components I use.:eek:
 
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