Broken Starter Bolt

burtonrider11

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And my saga continues. After summerizing our boat and thinking we were good to go this weekend, we went to the boat launch to get our first day on the water of 2016. Boat is a 1997 Starcraft 2010SS, Merc 5.7 2bbl, serial number 0K010675 Lo and behold, despite running in the driveway, the motor did not want to start. A few more tries cranking and then nothing. Turned off the blower, opened the engine hatch and could hear the starter motor. I reached down and could feel the starter motor swaying from side to side. Obviously, we've lost a starter bolt.

So after my frustration subsided and we were home, I was able to pluck the rogue bolt from the bilge. Broken. So this means I now have a piece still attached to the block. I tore deeper, removing starboard manifold and then removing starter. I had replaced the starter late last summer and had some problems with it making some noises when turning over last year, I had assumed perhaps something was wrong, now I wonder if that bolt had broken some time ago and had just enough thread to stay in place until it finally vibrated it's way out - it does have about a half a thread right now. The broken bolt is the one closest to the block, even better.

I did some research and think (and hope) I can punch the existing thread and use a left hand drill bit and/or extractor to remove what's left. I really want to avoid pulling the motor, it's beyond my technical capability and I don't want to pay $800 to do it either....

So this leaves me with some concerns as to why the bolt broke in the first place. Was it just a matter of undertorquing/overtorquing? Like an idiot, my torque wrench didn't fit, so I did it by feel, shame on me :( I will be getting another one to fit this time. Could it just be a 19 year bolt, that after years of heating up and cooling down and having force exerted on it, finally had enough? Perhaps after the initial snugging of said bolts, I should have gone back and re-tightened them to make sure.

When I put everything back together, I am thinking about using some ARP or other "high strength" bolts for this application. I have both existing and will make sure they are an exact match. Would it be recommended to use Threadlocker? I didn't see anything on the existing bolts when I pulled them out initially.

If anyone has any tips on removing the existing and advice on how to make sure this risk is mitigated in the future, I would greatly appreciate it!
 

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Don't beat yourself up to bad about it.....same thing happened to my 3.0L this season as well, do exactly as you plan, surprisingly enough my bolt thread came right out when I went to drill it, replaced BOTH bolts and no issues so far this season.....like you said heat up and cool downs, almost 20 years old....etc replace the bolts and enjoy the water!
 

burtonrider11

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Don't beat yourself up to bad about it.....same thing happened to my 3.0L this season as well, do exactly as you plan, surprisingly enough my bolt thread came right out when I went to drill it, replaced BOTH bolts and no issues so far this season.....like you said heat up and cool downs, almost 20 years old....etc replace the bolts and enjoy the water!
Thanks! After having to pack up the boat, wife and kids on an 80 degree beautiful Michigan day, I was really bumming. I needed to hear your story :)
 

burtonrider11

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Anyone else, have any thoughts, tips, hints etc? Would love to hear if anyone has some tips into removing the existing bolt. I am hoping it comes out easily!
 

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Ayuh,.... Usually, there's no tension on the broken piece, so it'll turn out fairly easily,...

The biggest problem is gettin' to it in most boats,....

Torque the new ones to "Good, 'n Tight", 'n don't use loc-tite,...
 

Rick Stephens

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Anyone else, have any thoughts, tips, hints etc? Would love to hear if anyone has some tips into removing the existing bolt. I am hoping it comes out easily!

There ain't a shortcut for this. You just have to belly up and start in on it. The location is about as bad as can be. I would use an inexpensive reversible angle air drill for ease of access. If you want it to turn out with a left hand drill you have to turn the drill fairly slow. I like the special bolt remover bits, they work better if you pre-drill a short pilot hole for them to bite.
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Might also spray a bit of PB Blaster on the bolt when you get started. Loosen things up.

I've got to say you can't beat yourself on not using a torque wrench. A gazzillion starters and I have never once used a torque wrench on a one. You had bad luck, not poor judgement. Those bolts are not particularly sensitive, the block is a whole lot easier to damage. I wouldn't use a torque wrench on it even after having a bolt break. Get new bolts, maybe a better grade starter if it looks at all like it might have caused the problem. Put it back together and go boating.

I'd use NeverSeize before I'd put LockTite on a starter bolt. Just put it in dry or with a little bit of 2-4-C on the shaft to keep it from rusting.

Rick
 

burtonrider11

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Thanks Rick and Bondo! I have spent the past two days gathering my arsenal to attack this. The good news is that I already pulled the exhaust manifold and starter motor. Starter was replaced last fall and still looks fine. Access isn't going to be ideal, but probably better than most. Once I pull back the plug and starter wires, I think I will have a reasonably good view to work on this. I may try to incorporate a mirror to assist.

I called and spoke the ARP (American Racing Products) and ordered a set of bolts from them via Summit Racing. I am in it for $22 including shipping. I know I could get standard bolts for much much less, however, I only want to do this once (cross my fingers and say a couple of prayers lol). ARP's are supposed to be race grade/heavy duty products and they are stainless steel as well. The tech at ARP also suggested getting some oil on the threads AND the shoulder, said this will ensure proper seating of the thread and the shoulder - I hadn't ever thought of that. Definitely no LocTite!

So I purchased a right angle drill and a flexible driver attachment for this job. I have a nice dual gear variable speed Bosch drill that I will try with the flex shaft. I also have some Craftsmen screw extractors similar to what Rick has pictured above that I have used with success in the past with old stripped out screws. Plan A is going to set up a template or guide to help center punch the bolt, then try the existing screw extractors I have.

Plan B will consist of left hand drill bits and then going to full on Easy Outs. In either case, I will be going nice and slow to get this out and put the new one in.

Going to have to remove some seating again and other odds and ends but should be able to get to everything and get things bolted back together this weekend.

Thanks again for the help! I'll keep people posted on the results.
 

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Plan B will consist of left hand drill bits and then going to full on Easy Outs. In either case, I will be going nice and slow to get this out and put the new one in.

Going to have to remove some seating again and other odds and ends but should be able to get to everything and get things bolted back together this weekend.

Ayuh,...... Last one I did was in an ole Starcraft glass boat with a 3.0l motor, tied to a dock, on an island, in the 1000 islands,....

Got there, 'n thought I had all my tricks with me,....
Stripped out the aft seat, motor box, box surround, 'n laid down in the bilge with a borrowed right angle cordless drill, with a 1/8" left-handed drill bit,....
At that point, I found I'd forgotten my Mirror,....

I tried goin' by "Feel" for a few seconds, 'n then asked the family standin' on the dock watchin' me, if they had a mirror,....
I usually don't work with an audience, but these folks rented a house, with a boat, 'n wanted to use the boat,....
Of course, "Mom" had a mirror which she fetched for me, 'n a good thing to, as I was W aa yyy off center, woulda ruined the hole if I hadn't stopped,.....

Anyways, with the little mirror propped up just so, I could see the drill bit, centered it, 'n pulled the trigger,...
The broken stub backed out as the drill turned, barely cuttin' into the stub at all,.....
I had the barge up, 'n Runnin' in 'bout 1/2 hour, 'n left the island, a true Hero in the eyes of those vacationers,.....

Good luck with yer's,... I'd start with the right angle drill, over a flex-shaft set-up myself, 'cause I know it works,....
 

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You should have no issue with the ARP bolts I've used many sets of them when I've done head gaskets in my trucks 6.0L power strokes and 6.6 duramaxes

Good luck!
 

burtonrider11

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I DID IT!! The bolt is OUT! :laugh::D Thanks again for all the help and encouragement! I had a client of mine who I had shared my story with show up the next day with a set of Irwin Bolt Extractors, and I am glad he did. I drilled a pilot hole (slightly off center) and went to work with extractor. Out she came.....I feel like a weight has been lifted.....after pulling the boat away from the launch last week, I was positive I was going to be pulling the motor and paying to have the work done. Instead for about $50, I'll make the repair myself and have some new fun tools along the way ;)

Can't thank everyone enough. Once again, this forum has saved me!
 
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