Cant go full throttle

tigerhack

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after testing my boat i found out it cant go full throttle , it backs off each time like the engine is governed, also sound like it is starving for gas, also sounds like it would stall out , i did change the mechanical pump to a electronic pump ,could it be the pump not sending the right amount of gas at hi rev ?(i did try to adjust the timing but it didnt work ). 1992 regal 233xl 5.7 litre
 

Bondo

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Ayuh,.......Here's your Answer,......Courtesy of Don,......

Here is a list of possible causes of low WOT. Mark them off as they are actually checked and actually do the tests and you will find your problem.

Engine Won't Reach Operating RPM. Check

  • Fuel condition. Type and Octane possibly old fuel
  • Propeller pitch or diameter, damaged blades
  • Restricted fuel pickup tube or anti siphon valve Fuel System Test
  • Crankcase oil volume, high oil level can cause aerated oil and lifter collapse
  • Marine growth on hull and outdrive
  • Wrong gear ratio in outdrive
  • Restricted carburetor air intake (clogged flame arrestor)
  • Restricted exhaust system (broken exhaust shutters/flappers) in engine transom shield or drive
  • Poor cylinder compression Compression Test
  • Carburetor defective, or wrong type.
  • Fuel pump pressure and vacuum
  • Boat overloaded, improperly loaded, or improperly trimmed.
  • Engine Overheating
  • Engine timing and ignition system operation
  • Remote control cables and linkage for proper travel to open throttle plates fully.
 

flabum

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Don's list fails to mention filters. Check your fuel filters for water and trash first. Then check your fuel lines to be sure they are all secure and have no kinks in them.


Do these basics first
 

Bondo

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Don's list fails to mention filters. Check your fuel filters for water and trash first. Then check your fuel lines to be sure they are all secure and have no kinks in them.

Ayuh,.........
Unless of course, you clicked on the "Fuel System Test" link.......
Then you'd find This,........

Boats seem to have a lot more problems with the fuel system compared to the auto industry. Mostly due to all the "Marine Specific" parts in the system required to make the system safe in a boat. Anti-Siphon valves, special fuel lines, water separating fuel filters just to name a few.
Below is a way of testing your boats fuel system if you suspect a problem. Note, this is for testing the BOATS fuel system which includes everything up to the engines fuel pump. It assumes (I know, bad choice of words, but you have to start somewhere) the fuel pump and carburetor are working properly.
Most of the information below was just copy and pasted out of a Volvo manual. All I did was put it in one place and separate it from other information.


The Snap-On fuel gauge mentioned below is not a necessity; any good fuel pump pressure/vacuum gauge will work or even a single vacuum gauge. I have one from NAPA that works fine for the tests. They may not be super accurate, but if you have zero vacuum, you have a leak and if it's real high you have a plugged system. Use some common sense and think about the results you have on the gauge.
You also need to make up some proper fuel hoses for YOUR boat. Since you probably won't be working on very many, get the right stuff and make your job easy and safe instead of difficult and dangerous. Fittings that will fit the carb and fuel pump will be necessary. Don't even think about cutting that steel line and hose clamping a tee for the gauge to it.

A couple of problems that can be caused by a defective fuel system is.
1. Low WOT (Wide Open Throttle) rpms. (When the engine used to be fine)
2. Engine dies out when running at any rpm.


Vacuum Testing Fuel System
This test must be performed with engine under load; either running in gear on the water or in gear connected to a dynamometer. Ensure that all fuel line connections are leak free.
1. Install Vacuum and Fuel Pressure Gauge such as Snap-on? Tools MT311JB or equivalent, and 8 in. (20,3 cm) of clear, fuel resistant vinyl hose into the fuel line at the filter fuel pump inlet fitting. (NOTE: On some engines there is a filter hard plumbed to the fuel pump, these engines should have the gauge attached to the fuel filter and not the pump itself. )
2. Start engine and allow it to reach normal operating temperature. Run engine at full throttle (NOTE: As noted above, this is done under load, not on muffs) for at least 2 minutes; observe vacuum gauge reading and check clear hose for air or vapor bubbles. Gauge reading must not exceed 4 in. of mercury (Hg) at any time, and there should be no bubbles visible in the clear hose. Compare observations to the following:

Gauge reads 1-4 in. of mercury (Hg) - air bubbles present
Supply side of fuel system has an air leak. Check for air leak on suction side of fuel system
Possible areas of problems.
1. Loose or broken hose clamps
2. Wrong type hose clamp used (Use mini clamps not standard size clamps)
3. Filter seal leaking
4. Pickup tube in fuel tank defective.
5. Loose, cracked, corroded fittings in the system (including the tank and fuel filter)
Repair or replace suspect part, then make another vacuum test to verify repair.

Gauge reading exceeds 4 in. of mercury (Hg)
Supply side of fuel system has a restriction. Check points of possible
failure as noted below.
1. Water or debris in fuel/fuel filter
2. Fuel pickup tube and screen blockage
3. Fuel tank vent blockage
4. Plugged external canister or carburetor fuel filters
5. Inoperative, restricted or incorrectly sized anti-siphon valve
Repair or replace suspect part, then make another vacuum test to verify repair.
 

180shabah

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Re: Cant go full throttle

i did try to adjust the timing but it didnt work ).

using a timing light, reset timing back to factory spec.

1992 regal 233xl 5.7 litre

Mercruiser, Volvo, OMC, Yamaha?????

Has it ever run properly after switching to the electric pump?
 

CharlieB

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Back up a little farther,

How did it run BEFORE you changed the fuel pump?

How old are the spark plugs?


K.I.S.S. principle applys here

Start with the simple and proceed from there.


Year, make, model, and so on.

Describe what is does and doesn't do, what you've done and why and we'll suggest what to CHECK next.

spend NO money til you test and PROVE something wrong!
 

180shabah

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Back up a little farther,

How did it run BEFORE you changed the fuel pump?

How old are the spark plugs?


K.I.S.S. principle applys here

Start with the simple and proceed from there.


Year, make, model, and so on.

Describe what is does and doesn't do, what you've done and why and we'll suggest what to CHECK next.

spend NO money til you test and PROVE something wrong!

CharlieB is right, we need a complete history, I should have said, Has it ever run properly..... and left off " after changing the fuel pump"
 

tigerhack

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Re: Cant go full throttle

CharlieB is right, we need a complete history, I should have said, Has it ever run properly..... and left off " after changing the fuel pump"


Plugs are all new , engine had never run with a manual pump before, but i notice the big butter fly has nothing on it it is let loose .
 

Bondo

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Re: Cant go full throttle

Sorry my reason for that is i already solved the problem, i know i should have responded to it but when i come back to the forum sometimes it is so hard to find what i have post

Ayuh,......

So what Solved the Problem,..??..??......
 
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