can't keep my plug inserts tight

bigtwin

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I have a 1998 Evinrude 25hp twin cylinder. Awhile back I noticed both of my spark plug threads were starting to strip, so I used a thread chaser to clean the threads, however this only woked for a little while before more drastic action had to be taken.
I then went to Napa and purchased a 14mm cylinder head rethreader kit. It came with an assortment of threaded inserts, a reamer tap, and a small tube of loctite red.
After tapping the holes, I cleaned the threads with solvent, applied the loctite and screwed in the new inserts, after letting the loctite sit up for 24 hours I removed the plugs and torqued them down to 22 ftlbs. I then patted myself on the back for a job well done.
I've come to find out if I run my motor for any length of time the heat weakens the adheasive, and now the insert comes out with the plug. I am also finding out that the quality of the threads you can cut with a reamer tap isn't that great, so you can't use them too many times.
I would like to find a thread adheasive that will hold the inserts in even after repeated heating and cooling cycles.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx: Charlie :)
 

F_R

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

My knee-jerk reaction is why is it getting so hot? You can go to the Loctite website and find the specs for their products, temp and strength, etc.

Actually, it sounds like you should be considering a new head.
 

JCF350

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

What kind of solvent are you using? Mineral spirits and the like leave a residue and the loctite won't bond to the metal. I use acetone for stuff like this.
Also loctite makes a primer for their thread locker products (part# 7649), comes in small spray can amongst other sizes, most folks don't know about this but I figure if somebody makes a primer for their product it is best to use it.

Also I use a spark plug with no washer (or previously crushed washer) on it to seat the inserts with.
 

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Most people don't know that the metal acts as a catalyst, affecting the cure speed. It will cure faster in aluminum than stainless steel, and super fast in brass. The other factor of course is absence of air. The primer also acts a a catalyst, making for a quicker and more dependable cure. A chlorinated solvent is best to use, as far as the loctite is concerned. But the fact remains that it takes a certain temperature to begin to soften it. Usually around 300 degrees. I used to buy that stuff 3 cases at a time where I last worked (factory). In our application, we used the chlorinated solvent, no primer, and you couldn't get the stuff apart without heat. Mostly used it on brass and/or stainless steel, and aluminum too.
 

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

I stripped a plug on a 115hp evinrude once, took the head off, went to the local machine shop $20 he put a helicoil in, never a problem again!
That was after trying those inserts on an old straight 6 outboard many years before, and not having them work for me either!
 

bigtwin

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

Thanks for all your input. I did look at the loctite web site and found there is a high strength/ high temp. product (loctite 266) however it is only sold in bottles and at $50.00 I could buy a used head.
The solvent I used is brake clean because it dosn't leave a risidue (it is a chlorinated solvent)
The insert is made of carbon steel and it is going into an aluminum head.
I used my infrared thermometer to check for over heating, the hottest reading I got was 140 deg. F.
You are right JCF350 I didn't know that loctite made a primer. I will pick some up and give it a try (I just hope it dosn't cost $50.00:() I don't know if loctite goes bad with age., because I just realized that the stuff I have in my tool box is at least 10 years old?!

Thanx alot for all your input!!!!
 

R.Johnson

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

Why not put in a locking insert, such as a keen-sert. After they are screwed in, there are locking pins' that are driven in along the threads, locking it in place.
 

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

Careful on the brake clean most of them do leave a residue. We went through a bunch by spraying them on glass and letting them dry. The only one I can remember offhand that didn't was from Wurth.
 

bigtwin

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

R.Johnson you are correct I should have used a mechanically locking insert, hindsight is 20/20, however unless it is threaded the same as the inserts I used, or the outside diameter on the kleen-sert is larger so I can redrill and tap I am stuck.
I called a local industral supply house this morning and they told me that the loctite #7649 primer is nothing more then acetone in a spray can ($17.99), however loctite now makes the thread lock #266 in a smaller tube ($14.06).
I think I will order the loctite #266 and pick up some acetone at the corner drugstore, and give it a try.

Thanx again:)
 

Chris1956

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

I had the same issue on an old motorcycle spark plug hole. I used some marine-tex on the insert and ran the motor to harden the epoxy. It never gave me any problem after that.
 

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

I think I will order the loctite #266 and pick up some acetone at the corner drugstore, and give it a try.
Your local hardware/paint store should carry Acetone. Home Depot and Lowes both do in the paint dept. Might be cheaper than what you find at a drugstore.
 

JCF350

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

I called a local industral supply house this morning and they told me that the loctite #7649 primer is nothing more then acetone in a spray can ($17.99), however loctite now makes the thread lock #266 in a smaller tube ($14.06).
I think I will order the loctite #266 and pick up some acetone at the corner drugstore, and give it a try.

Thanx again:)

Your local industrial supply house is incorrect in its description of the primer see the link below for the Technical data sheet.

https://tds.us.henkel.com//NA/UT/HNAUTTDS.nsf/web/385739FE3EBAE638882571870000D8B5/$File/7649-EN.pdf
 

JCF350

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

Why not put in a locking insert, such as a keen-sert. After they are screwed in, there are locking pins' that are driven in along the threads, locking it in place.

The spark plug holes are to shallow for keen-serts. Plus the locking tabs can't be exposed at all as they get too hot and lead to pre-ignition.
 

R.Johnson

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Re: can't keep my plug inserts tight

Ater the keen-serts are installed, they are dressed off with a die grinder.
 
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