Carb jet sizes

cvlngineer

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Could someone please post the proper carb jet sizes for a 1975 70 hp Johnson?<br /><br />Thank You,<br />cvlngineer
 

Mufasa

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Re: Carb jet sizes

Let me go out to the shop and I will get back to you with that info. Why do you ask? Did you loose some or is this a performance upgrade?
 

cvlngineer

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Master Tech,<br /><br />I am rebuilding a motor that I just got. I just want to make certain that the carbs have the proper jets in them, as I am uncertain that the guy that I got it from put the right parts on.
 

cvlngineer

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Can someone please help with this information? I checked the jets in my carbs:<br /><br />32 and 64 D<br /><br />Are these the correct sizes for this motor?
 

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There were a few bulletins out about that time for 3 cyl carbs. There were also quite a few carbs produced that look alike and will bolt up. To be completely accurate we would have to know where the carbs came from. <br /><br />How does the motor run? Even if it has the "as produced" jets for those carbs you may have to richen the idle circuit for todays fuel.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

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Thanks for the reply. <br /><br />I am unsure of the origin of the carbs. I was an idiot and bought the motor from a shop, which I will leave unnamed. I could never get it to run correctly. It would idle, but would bog down on acceleration until it reached a certain point, and then take off and run fine. While scratching my head over this problem, another was pointed out to me...it had a bad wristpin bearing. $500 and a complete overhaul later, I have the same problem. I have replaced the pistons, rings, bearings, seals, gaskets, fuel lines, fuel pump, thermostat, rebuilt the carbs, cussed it and threatened to unbolt it and kick it off in the bay. The motor idles, but still bogs under a load. Squeezing the bulb does not help, and closing the choke plates slowly increases the idle speed slightly. I assume this means that it is running lean. I will go out in a little while and take off the choke linkage and close the plates 1 at a time to see if only one or all cylinders do this. I checked the compression, though the rings have not seated yet, and all cylinders were at 115 psi.<br /><br />I did not replace the reeds, and am cussing myself for it now. They don't cost much, and if I had, then I could at least rule that out.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />cvlngineer
 

jegervais

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According to the parts book, those are not the correct jets. In order to get the correct jets in the carbs you have, I need to know two things:<br /><br />1 - What is the engine model number? and<br /><br />2 - What is the number on the carburetor tag (if it still has one). Look for a small metal tag usually fastened to the bowl w/one of the bowl retainer screws. Or, (if it doesn't) what is the part number stamped into the carburetor body.<br /><br />Lemme' know.<br /><br />-John
 

cvlngineer

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I figured as much. <br /><br />The powerhead model number is gone. But it is a 1975 70 hp. The carb tags are gone, but I will check for the part numbers and get back to you in a few minutes.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />cvlngineer
 

cvlngineer

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John,<br /><br />The carbs have this number, in raised letters, right under the throttle plate shaft:<br /><br />322292<br /><br />Thanks for your help,<br />cvlngineer
 

ob

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I know this is not specific to your carb numbers as I don't have access to literature pre 1980 listing jet size options for carbs.However on the 1980 model 70 hp johnson motors the .032 slow speed jets were only used on 15" shaft models.The 20" shaft model jet options were .035 - .038 .Again this isn't specific to your carb numbers but then your carb numbers may not be specific to the engine that they're bolted on.So ,you may have to do some of your own engineering so to speak.Since your symptom has indications of a lean condition ,I am inclined to think that you are in fact undersized on your low speed jets.It surely won't hurt anything to purchase the optional sizes available ,..install and water test.They're cheap.<br />I wish you all the luck in getting this project of yours up and running.Heaven knows you've worked hard in building the boat and getting to the point you are now at.
 

cvlngineer

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ob,<br /><br />Thanks for the info. I have called all over town, looking for the jets, and it seems that the part numbers are tough to find. Maybe they were designed by the CIA, or are on the witness protection program. ;) I was out messing with it a few minutes ago. I set the pickup timing and resynched the carbs. I did notice some improvement. I am not certain about the lean condition any longer. I took off the choke linkage, and closed each choke valve, one at a time. It killed the engine each time, however, with the linkage on, closing the choke plates in unison part of the way increases rpm's, closing them further kills it. <br /><br />I re-rebuilt all three carbs last night, soaking them in carb cleaner, etc. I replaced the float valves and seats, and discovered an oops that I made. I took the #2 carb off 3 or 4 days ago, and took it apart to look at it. It was getting dark, so I put it back together a bit too hastily. I put the float in upside-down. I fixed it and did notice an improvement, duh! At least now it acts like it wants to idle in gear. <br /><br />My manual says to set the idle at 700-750 rpm in forward gear, under a load. Do you have any idea how that would relate to idle rpm in nuetral in my barrel? With the timing set right at pickup timing at TDC, throttle plates not open, it idles at 1150 rpm or so. Putting it in gear in the test barrel, briefly, before it blows all of the water out, the idle drops down to about 700-750 rpm. A neutral idle speed of 1150 just seems a bit high to me, any ideas?<br /><br />cvlngineer
 

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Since you say slight choking of all 3 results in a slight increase can you open (richen) the idle mixture screw (I am assuming the idle mixture is adjustable on this model) a litte. Idle mixture should be a little richer than optimum idle for a good takeoff. Usually you adjust the idle mixture for best idle then richen it about 1/4 turn (which usually drops the idle a tad)
 

jegervais

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Ok.<br /><br />Those carb bodies were used on 1978 70 & 75 hp models.<br /><br />The idle jet is listed as a .032" p/n 320016 and the main jet is listed as a .054" p/n 321407. Both of these p/n's are still available.<br /><br />Going up a couple of thousanths on the idle jets is acceptable, but no more than .003" - In my opinion, .064" on the mains is way-too-fat, again my suggestion would be .003". Timing pick up and carburetor synchronization are both critical. If you're certain both of these items are set correctly, I would adjust (retard) the pick up timing one to two turns. This will allow the timing to advance a couple of extra degrees before it picks up the fuel (carbs). If the fuel advances before the timing or too soon, the result is a bog on acceleration. <br /><br />Good Luck and keep asking questions.<br /><br />-John
 

ob

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My 96' 70 idles at about 1100 on the hose,and right at 800 in gear ,in water.Three cylinder loopers don't like to idle in gear for any lenghth of time and I rarely run mine below 1100-1200 in gear ,in water.Sounds like your pretty close on the static set-up and only a water test will confirm.The fact that you close choke flaps even slightly and get an incerase in RPM still suggests to me that your low speed jets may need to be increased in diameter.We're not talking about a huge increase anyway.From .032 to say .035 is Three thousanths.This may be just the kick you need to throttle up from a stop.
 

jegervais

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Some additional thoughts, since there were a couple of posts made between the time I started my last post and the time I actually finished...<br /><br />Concentrate on the idle and bogg issues first. Once those are corrected and the motor is broken in, then do a few plug reads from WOT. <br /><br />Run at 5500 rpm for several minutes then in a safe area reach down and turn off the key - Do not throttle down, this will give you the wrong plug reading. Next tilt the motor up, pull the plugs and examine them. If they're black, wet & nasty, then look at re-jetting the mains leaner. If they're a nice tanish-brown leave them where they're at.<br /><br />-John
 

cvlngineer

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ob,<br /><br />Thanks again. I will mess with it a little more, maybe replace the jets, couldn't hurt, and probably head to the water in the next couple of days to check it out. I sure hope it works.<br /><br />I'll let everyone know how it turns out, you will probably hear me scream, either hallelujah, or a long line of obscenities, depending on how it goes. ;) <br /><br />cvlngineer
 

cvlngineer

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John,<br /><br />Thank you VERY VERY much for the help. You have done something that none of the shops around here could do, given me part numbers for the jets. I was beginning to think that it was a secret. :D <br /><br />I think that the jets in the carbs are, indeed, marked 54 D and not 64 D. I believe I wrote it down wrong.<br /><br />You say that those carbs were used on 1978 70 hp motors, will they work on a 1975 model?<br /><br />Also, could you elaborate on retarding the timing to move just before the fuel is introduced? I want to make certain that I do it right. Do I set the pickup timing 2 degrees before TDC or after?<br /><br />Thank You,<br />cvlngineer
 

jegervais

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When you're setting the throttle cam to the throttle roller, set it by the book. Once it's set, remove the cotter pin from the yoke on the throttle cam and turn it (1 turn) so that the throttle cam backs away from the roller. This will increase the gap between the cam and roller, which will allow the timing to advance a little further before the cam pick up the roller (fuel). If this improves things, you can try taking one more turn on the yoke. Becareful though, if you go too far, you might loose partial throttle opening at WOT.<br /><br />-John
 
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