Caught In A Storm

DayCruiser

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I am wondering if we did the right thing? Listening to the weather radio after seeing a storm way off in the distance. Weather guesser says on a 20% chance of isolated storms. Does not mention the storm I see and it looks far away and not menacing. So we continue on our journey far up the lake. We see more storms developing and the radio says they are in a neighboring state and moving away from us. So we decide that with the weather warning the atmosphere was too unstable anyway so we start heading back. Well the storm I had seen on the way up is now looking dangerously black and is blocking our path back to the dock. All of the sudden the radio alarm goes off warning of this storm(never mentioned before mind you) 60 mph winds and dangerous lightening. We see the bolts of cloud to ground lightening at a rapid rate. Luckily the storm is not coming right at us. All of a sudden the winds start roaring ahead of the storm whipping up 5 to 10(Wife says 5 I say 10 lol) foot swells and the water is white capping. Another storm develops beside this storm and is heading right for us! So I think I see a break between the 2 storms and head for that but the waves are just pounding the hull so I reverse course and we go until we see calm waters behind a island and we take a slanted left and the boat is just rolling back and forth. We beach the boat and take shelter under the trees. Now we have been caught in rain before and just made it back to the dock before storms have hit. My trusty radio has usually helped me avoid being trapped like this.
Now my question is would it have been better to stayed in the boat anchored just off shore or is it better to get under the trees? Or are we just screwed either way? lol The second storm didn't have much lightening. We stayed just on the edge of the other one.
 

tommays

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Re: Caught In A Storm

You do NOT want to be near trees :eek: there like lightening rods


You just have to learn more about the local weather and how the report affects your area


I camp on Lake George every summer and it is rare to have a storm free week ,we just keep are ear on the radio as the storms move in to fast over the mountains to see in time


Down here on Long Island it is pretty rare to have a storm without a LOT of warning time :D


Tommays
 

Expidia

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http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=200513&highlight=bimini

Interesting recent discussion on lightening in the above link . . .

I always wondered about this myself. I also just bought a VHF radio to possibly give me advanced warning of oncoming storms.

I fish the same Lake that the other poster mentioned. Lake George like many other Adirondack lakes in NY is surrounded by mountains. You can be fishing in the middle of the lake and the sky is clear, 5 minutes later there are black thunder clouds over your head.

This happened to me just week, I saw a band of black clouds miles in the distance to the west and quickly got underway back to the marina. I only have a 30 hp. I actually just ordered the 40 hp max for my boat just so I could outrun these types of fast moving storms. I can now only do about 20 mph and I don't feel safe. 20 mph was almost not fast enough for this storm and as I looked behind me I saw 5-10 bolts of lightening hitting the water where I just left. Several bolts were hitting the island that I had just pulled away from only 5 minutes ago.

Even with bolts of lightning hitting the water behind me I still several boats heading full speed directly into the path of the storm. I also passed an aluminum boat with two guys fishing like there was no storm even though they too could see the lightening heading their way.

Just as I got into my car the sky opened up and the hail and lightening was all around me. Amazingly to me, even as I was tying the boat up there was some dude just standing on the dock continuing to fish with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth talking on his cellphone about baseball!

See we need people like these for the statistics. These are the idiots are who are killed by lightning strikes.

On the way up to the lake this past Sunday the NOAA weather band was talking about how many people are struck each year. It's amazing. They said the news does not report it much because it's only one person at a time. The news likes reporting the tragedies were many people die at once (keeps you glued to the TV so you can watch their commercials) like a bus crash or flood etc. One golfer! Not news at all to them.

On the Mohawk river last week at the same place I launch my boat a 17 year old was struck by lightning and killed. Witness's say the lightning struck the grill not him! Yet another storm killed a golfer that same weekend on a golf course who took shelter under a tree.

If I were on a golf course I would head for the nearest sand trap and lay down in it, so I was below ground level and begin to pray!

Two girls standing in front of their porch two weeks ago were also struck by lightning, but lived, although one went to the hospital.

Seems most die not by taking a direct hit, but as in the golfers case he was found dead under a tree. The 17 year old was standing next to a grill which had it's metal post in the ground.

In many cases, it's not the direct hit. It's that lightning takes the shortest path to the ground most of the time. So if you're under a tree like the golfer, the lightening hits the tree, goes down the path in the ground through the routes and up through your feet. This is what must have happened to the 17 year old as he was also probably still wet from swimming.

What you did in my opinion was exactly what not to do. You put your family in danger by going under the tree. Even before you left for the day the weather probably had reports of the possibility of scattered thundershowers.

If this was in the report at all for that day, I would not venture to far from the dock. I would plan my day in a circle, so I did not have much distance between my boat and the dock. Because the safest place in a storm is your car (unless a tree falls on the car).

Or like another poster said, plan your trip so you have way points to duck into in case of sudden storms like a restaurant, some open boat houses along the way etc.


I had to re-read your post twice to see if you were kidding about running under a tree . . .
Remember that "you" are the Captain and it's your responsibility to plan for these events. Your family or guests are putting their lives in your hands. Take a boating course. My Wife took one with me two years ago. It's only a few hours out of your life on a Sat. I myself discovered after 30 years of boating couldn't belive how many stupid things I was doing wrong. Scary.

Read the link above. Check out the last posters comments on how he would duck and just toss some more chum in the water. If that response wasn't "tongue in cheek" than this is the type of boater that will probably have his fish cooked for him someday before he reaches the dock!
 

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Where I live, if you were to not go boating when there was a thunderstorm forecast, then you would not go boating from June through November. We have basically the same forecast daily through these months: highs in the mid 90s, mostly sunny, with scattered afternoon thundershowers; we get 'em nearly every day too somewhere, usually around 3 PM, they last for 30-45 minutes and then it is sunny again. When you're out on the water, you can see a storm coming a pretty good way off; we generally try to steer clear of the storms. You can watch the track and see them go by. Being 25+ miles offshore, you really can't go somewhere to take shelter, you just have to steer clear.​
 

Expidia

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Where I live, if you were to not go boating when there was a thunderstorm forecast, then you would not go boating from June through November. We have basically the same forecast daily through these months: highs in the mid 90s, mostly sunny, with scattered afternoon thundershowers; we get 'em nearly every day too somewhere, usually around 3 PM, they last for 30-45 minutes and then it is sunny again. When you're out on the water, you can see a storm coming a pretty good way off; we generally try to steer clear of the storms. You can watch the track and see them go by. Being 25+ miles offshore, you really can't go somewhere to take shelter, you just have to steer clear.​

Yes, FL is tough for lightning. I was once on my ex-Brother-in-laws older center console "Dusky" boat and as we were cruising just off the coast of Ft Lauderdale we tried to out run a storm. So we quickly headed into the canal system to try and get off the boat to wait it out at a restaurant. But since the FL canals are protecting the Manatees, he wouldn't go over 5 mph all the while bolts of lightning crashing all around us. Scariest time of my life.

Just before the storm he was doing about 45 mph and the rotted (like his boat) webbed hold down straps on his bimini broke and the top slammed back down just grazing the top of my Wife"s head who was sitting on the back seat. Gave her an awful headache, but an inch or two lower and it would have killed her instantly.

He also kept going down to the head to check on what he said was a slow leak . . . that was nice to know!

A year or two later we were called and were told he and a buddy were out about 10 miles fishing and this same boat just split in half and sank. They were rescued by a passing boat.

We can do things to lower our odds for an accident. For me it's not getting on a boat with an incompetent Captain (I've found most are).

We get decent weather forecasts around here and our weather is pretty stable. As I was listening yesterday to the weather they are predicting 50% chance of thunder storms for the next two days. Chance of thunder storms makes me cxl my boating plans for the 4th of July. Or I might go out but stay close to the launch. Chance of showers doesn't worry me. Only "hazzardous" thunderstorms with the chances of lightning. I've found NOAA is great at predicting this stuff now, since the advent of doppler radar.

But I know boating in Fl is a different animal. But I would think off shore boats are a lot bigger than mine and could be potentially protected by some type of lightening system.

Around here I have to depend on my VHF and NOAA alerts along with looking at the radar maps of what could be blowing at me from the West.

Off shore you can out run the storms, this is true. But on a smaller lake what are you to do . . . out run the storm by driving in circles???

Up here we need to depend more on pre-planning weather info, our VHF, a keen eye on the sky and know our way points of where we could get off the boat ASAP.
 

DayCruiser

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Thanks for the input! Ya the forecast was for only 20% isolated storms and not scattered. That is a given for most weekends in South Carolina too. So you would rarely get to venture out. The only choices I had were to sit in the boat and face forcasted 60 mph winds/rain/ hail and lightening or run into the forested island. I guess the boat would have been the best. After we beached it we should have stayed in it.
Most of the time you see storms off in the distance and there is a report of which direction it/they are heading. No report of this storms existance or which way it was heading. I listened most of the day. Its the first time we have been trapped on the water. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Now we have had some close calls....
We weren't the only idiots out there lol. Many were caught off guard and strangely a few were heading back into the storm. Must have had a home nearby. Most had hit the beaches. Wife was all for getting off that boat too. Luckily the second storm didn't have hardly any lightening
 

Expidia

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Here is another good article on lightning protection:

http://www.cdc.gov/nasd/docs/d000001-d000100/d000007/d000007.html

I searched around for this a few weeks ago because now that I just had my new 15 foot aluminum boat delivered with a bigger motor than my previous 9.9 hp. It allows me to venture out further than I have in recent years on smaller boats.

It amazes me how little info there is on the effects of lightning on small boats.

I always wondered how sailors are out in windy stormy weather, yet their boats don't get blown away by lightning strikes. I figured they must have some type of lightning protection.

But it's being on a 15 foot "aluminum" boat with no protection that worries me. I don't even know if a boat this small can be potentially protected. I'll have to re-read the articles.

There is another link on the same site, but it's a PDF.

http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&subset=nasd&queryText=boating

It's the first article: Starts off "One minute the fisherman was sitting atop his elevated seat aboard his boat. The next minute he was DEAD - - The victom of a lightning bolt"

Boating-Lightning Protection? 1
These boats can be protected from lightning strikes by properly designed and connected systems of lightning protection. LIGHTNING PROTECTION SYSTEM The major components of a lightning protection system for a boat are an air termin...
 

ParallaxBill

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Daycruiser, what lake were you on?
A couple of weeks ago we were vacationing on Wateree and we had storms almost every afternoon including a tornado that missed us by 5 miles or so. With regard to the storms we headed close to our dock every afternoon before they showed up.
 

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You did the right thing by going under the trees.
If it would have been a single tree you would have asked for trouble.A group of trees however is a lot safer than a single boat.
Remember,lighting strikes a well grounded lighting rod because of the charge difference between it and its surroundings. When you are in an area with equal charge,you chances of getting hit are much reduced.
 

DayCruiser

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You did the right thing by going under the trees.
If it would have been a single tree you would have asked for trouble.A group of trees however is a lot safer than a single boat.
Remember,lighting strikes a well grounded lighting rod because of the charge difference between it and its surroundings. When you are in an area with equal charge,you chances of getting hit are much reduced.

Ya, it was a heavily wooded Island :) Thanks for the info
 

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Ayuh,..........

While I don't go Looking for T-Storms,...... I've riden out Quite a Few.......

Before I built My Semi-rigid Bimini,......
I did some digging,+ the "Faraday Cage Effect" is the Theory of it's construction.........
My roof is an Aluminum Cage, bolted to an Aluminum hull........
Which,.... In Theory,... will protect everybody on board from the Electrical effects of Lightning..........

Google up "Faraday Cage Effect",.......... It's the Reason sitting in a Car is so Safe............
 

BoatAddiction

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Want to hear a real dumb one? One day I was boating on the Beaufort River (Beaufort Water Festival) and a good ol' South Carolina storm came up in the late afternoon. We headed toward the landing as lightening was striking the shoreline in quite a few places (transformers make a pretty blue glow when they get hit). We made the decision to drive on since there were no readily available shelters available. Here is the dumb part: we passed boats that had anchored with the occupants in the water under the bow (I guess to avoid the raindrops from hitting them in the head). I'm no genius, but I'll take my chances in the boat rather than in the water.

As for trees...I may be wrong but I will hug a shoreline with trees in a lightening storm if I have nowhere else to go. My belief is that the trees will get it before I do. Regardless, I am going to stay in the boat unless I can make to the landing and the truck.
 

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OK - How about this - if lighting will strike the highest point in a given area, would heading into a fleet of mostly sailboats offshore be at all worthwhile? The shoreline around here is very rocky, and if I was nearby I wonder if ducking into the fleet on the way in from a storm would be worthwhile in my 17ft bowrider. There is not much dock space around here so most boaters join a yacht (and I use the term loosely) club and have the launches take them to their boats. I will also get the radio replaced on the boat!
 
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