Contracters, Carpenters... Bid this Job!!!

JustJason

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I been doing some work on a buddys house the last couple of day for free. Not a huge deal but I definitely have some hours into it. He (or rather his wife) is now insisting on paying me?? She wants to know how much I want for my work. So I have to give her a number. I don't want to soak them. But i've got 20+ hours into it... and counting. So if you contracters were bidding this job what would you charge??

Here's what I did.

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On the right, replace the vertical trim board, about 10ft long.

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On the left, replace the mating vertical trim board.

On the bottom. Replace the horizontal trim board on the bottom of the house. 12 footer.

All of the wood was rotting. Whoever put the wood up put it up untreated and just top coated it. I ripped off the old wood, cut and tacked up the new wood to make sure I had it all fitted, then pulled it back down and put 2 coats of primer on both sides before I installed all the trim for good. I also siliconed all my joints to make them as water tight as possible.

None of the wood was standard sizes. IE in the first pic the board was 1x11x11 1/4. So I had to buy a 1x12x12 and rip it lenghwise before the crosscut. All of the boards were like that, so that ate up a bit of the time. I couldn't use off the shelf lumber.

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I also had to break out the ladders and the pressure washer and clean the brick. It doesn't get direct sun and was covered in mold and moss. I bleached it all then pressure washed it. Another couple hours there.

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I haven't got to this yet. But trim was rotted to the right of the hose spigot. I cut out a section and the Sill was damp but not rotted/soaked. They had a contracter replace the trim to the left of the chimney a few years ago with some plastic board but it looks like he never sealed it properly. It looks like i'm going to have to remove the spigot and the hose reel and work around the oil pipes because that board needs to be replaced. I asked them about how deep they wanted me to get as far as tearing off all the trim to find where the water is coming in and they said forget it. They are selling the house and only want to fix the obvious rotted wood. I may just cut a small board and nail it in there and bondo it or something to hide the seam instead of ripping that whole section out.

So for what i've done so far what would you guys charge? Just straight up by the hour? What would you have bid the job at? What does a carpenter get these days? (I'm in Mass). I can't charge them my mechanics rate of $70 hr for 20+ hours for woodwork and brick bleaching. But i've got to give them a fair number. What do ya think?
JJ
 

Gary H NC

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Nice looking work Jason!
I'm no carpenter but at least 20 an hour would be minimum i would think..:confused:

I'm sure a carpenter would get way more than that...
 

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Let them buy you dinner or something. If you accept payment, then you also accept responsibility should the future purchaser decide to sue or something. I don't know any contractors that charge less than $70 per hour. As a matter of fact, if you charge less than $50 just your liabilities will make you go broke.

Also, I hope you were not putting up treated wood and painting it. Treated wood generally has to season for a year before paint. Otherwise, you buy KDAT lumber which most likely would not have to be ripped because it usually shrinks to 11" or less after drying anyway.
 

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Jason I would say if this is a Buddies house and no pay was discussed prior to the work then I would charge for materials and tell them whatever they think was fair for the 2 days work was fine . I charge freinds aloooot differantly than I charge regular got me out of the phone book customers . I am also not a carpenter I own an HVAC company most of my freinds pay for materials and a small and I mean small hourly charge compared to non freinds. I actually traded an almost new Sleep number bed a couple years ago for the install of a heat pump to one of my neighbors . They needed a bigger bed as the 2 of them and their 2 weimereiners would not fit in the queen size bed :D. I think I got the better part of that deal although they had gotten a deal on the bed off of ebay :D. I would say if they are real freinds I wouldnt accept any more than $10.00 an hour since price was not discussed prior to work and you were planning to do the work for free anyways .

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How close a buddy is your friend?

Was there any conversation about you being paid for your time prior to the project's commencement?

Personally, i would not take a dime from someone i consider to be a very close friend. I simply just could'nt do that, i would'nt even if Jesus insisted.
That's just my way.
 

JustJason

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Thanks for the compliments guys :)

Actually the way the arrangement started was that I was to do the work and he was to help me, be an errand boy, take care of the beers and BBQ for the nights that I worked there.
He's a good friend, decent guy, hard worker. But totally inept when it comes to working with his hands. He's an accountant. He also has been burnt by contracters in the past and knows what I can do (and what I do for work) so he felt more comfortable with me doing the work knowing that I wouldn't lie to him or anything like that.
They are selling their house and they got a few bites so they wanted to bump up the time table and get it done. It sorta informally went from no big deal to a big deal. So I've been there a couple of days/nights over last week doing all of the work myself because he got busy and stuck at work.

The wife comes from some money too, so it's not like they can't afford to pay me whatever I wanted.
What I was thinking of doing is finding out what a contracter would have charged for the job and just asking for 1/2 that plus materials (i've bought all the wood, paint, nails etc so far). Plus i've been using my truck to get all the supplys... and no beer or BBQ :(
I do deserve something, but i'm not out to hose my friends.
 

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This is probably one of this situations where if you just "refused" to take any money....the amount they'd probably insist you take would be more than you would have asked for.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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"What I was thinking of doing is finding out what a contracter would have charged for the job and just asking for 1/2 that plus materials (i've bought all the wood, paint, nails etc so far). Plus i've been using my truck to get all the supplys... and no beer or BBQ
I do deserve something, but i'm not out to hose my friends."


You absolutely deserve to be paid for any and all expenses that you've incurred on this project.

WHAT!!! No Beer or BBQ ? Huh! Charge them out of the wazoo.....Just kidding :D

Your consideration of charging half of what a contractor regularly charges for time and labor does seem to be generous and fair, however speaking for myself, since that was not in the agreement prior to doing the work, (and a very fine job you did) "my opinion" truly remain as i have previously stated.
 

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i understand where you're coming from justjason...i've had more time on my hands lately and have done a few things for friends/family who wanted someone they know to do the work but didn't expect the work to be done for free.

not only are you putting miles on your truck, gas into it, but you're also putting your projects on the back burner while you do theirs first. you're also financing the materials...i know it doesn't break the bank but it's alot different than helping a buddy who's sitting next to you handing you cold ones and trying to learn.

try looking at it compared to the cost of the materials. it's hard to compare to a pro's prices, they've got overhead/liability ins/advertising/whatever other costs.

if the materials were $100...how about $100 for your time?...something like that.
 

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Let them buy you dinner or something. If you accept payment, then you also accept responsibility should the future purchaser decide to sue or something. .

Bingo! My sentiments exactly. I have gotten dinged before in a number of ways after accepting payment-

1) Now you are responsible. Three years down the road, you did the work, you are the person they come to when it did not meet their exceptional expectations.

1B) Oh yeah, forgot one of the best ones- once they pay, they come back with all kinds of little nagging can you do this and that extras and there's no mention of extra compensation for these "small things" that never seem to end.

2) You lowball the effort because they are friends/neighbors- now every job they come to you because it was way cheaper than a pro and they expect the same pricing.

3) Fee for work = professional. Along with that comes liability, especially if you ARE a professional in the industry. You could be sued if something bad happens.

Watch daytime court shows sometime. They're littered with people who did work like this with no contract...
 

itsaboattime

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I am a Union Carpenter. 20 hours of work would be about $520.00 on a real job. Im in Illinois. Side work I charge $12.00 per hour.

For my friends houses I just tell them to remember this when I need something. Usually takes away any awkward feelings and it guarentees you help on some future project.
 

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How close a buddy is your friend?

Was there any conversation about you being paid for your time prior to the project's commencement?

Personally, i would not take a dime from someone i consider to be a very close friend. I simply just could'nt do that, i would'nt even if Jesus insisted.
That's just my way.

This is the way I?m with my good friends.

If I was going to charge a professional fee it would be something like this:
$83/hour for a class III craftsman and 11% mark up on all materials. This is what I would bid on a T&M project that required less than three craftsmen and under 20 man hours.
If you?re not in a big money crunch, tell him he owes you a dinner and a big favor down the line. If something fails down the line you will have no liability and your buddy wont feel like you ripped him off.
 
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ebry710

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Any contractor knows that people want the work done, but do not really want to pay for it. If you don't have a complaint once in a while then your not charging enough. People complain when their water rates go up a couple a cents a gallon but buy bottles water for $1 for 16.7 oz. Price is relative and value is perceived. Complaints come with the turf, but quality will be remembered.
 

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With friends if we are not trading (service for service) we give each other the family discount plan 100.00 a day plus material very few times if any is it ever a one way street it is either s.f.s or money,neither my family or friends expect something for nothing(that's the way we roll):) and don't forget they will make money with the repairs that you have done.I say from what I see the work you have done you are looking at or around 350.00,you do good work
 

ebry710

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With friends if we are not trading (service for service) we give each other the family discount plan 100.00 a day plus material very few times if any is it ever a one way street it is either s.f.s or money,neither my family or friends expect something for nothing(that's the way we roll):) and don't forget they will make money with the repairs that you have done.I say from what I see the work you have done you are looking at or around 350.00,you do good work

In my family, the family discount is to pay more money than you would have if you had hired someone else. :):):)
 

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When I do a project for a friend or one of the kids, I don't expect or take anything. It all comes back around eventually.
 

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Wow wish you could get paid the big money you guys are thinking.

A carpenter with liability, comp exemption and an LLC makes $20 two years ago it was $25, but a lot and I mean a lot or most are working for $15.

General Contractors charge $55- $75 an hour.

If you don't have liability, workers comp exemption and an LLC the most people are getting is $12-$15

I wouldn't be looking for more than $250 and to be honest I would have bid it at $200.
 

itsaboattime

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Your doing the work for free.

I work on friends houses for free alot!! They are my friends. They buy the materials I just put it together. not a big deal. I fixed a friends well pressure tank(waterlogged) last night, and she insisted on feeding me supper. Its all Karma, what goes around comes around.
 
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