Cracks in alluminum hull

chipzinger

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I have a Fisher 18 ft. boat with a alluminum 2 peice welded hull, over the summer I noticed it was taking in some water. After inspection I notice about 3 small under a half inch and 2 more about 1 inch long stress crack under the hull. After calling a few places I was informed that the hull was filled with foam and you couldn,t weld without stripping the entire deck because of a fire hazard, another marina said epoxy will be only a short term fix. Has anybody run to any problems similar the boat only 5 years old and Fisher wont repair only for the original owner. Can somebody give me some info on epoxys or any other ideas, Thanks.
 

monkeyboi

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

you could try a product called alumaloy. try a google search for it. uses a propane torch instead of oxy-hydrogen torch or mig/tig.
 

roscoe

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

I think my boat may have similar leak(s), but I can't locate the crack. Mine is a Spectrum, basically a cheap copy of the Fisher after Brunswick bought Fisher. :( <br /><br />I also see many stress marks where the floor supports are connected to the hull.
 

chipzinger

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

The only problem with alumaloy or products like these I cannot put any heat under the hull because the boat dealer is telling me the foam lining will catch fire. Has anybody had any luck with some type of epoxy that I can use? Even if I have to redo every other year or so it would be worth it rather than tearing of the whole deck off at a cost of thousands of dollars and the few places I called wouldn,t want to get involved. Any help would be appreciated...
 

Smedley

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

I also have a cracked weld in an old tracker. I was concerned that the crack would spread even after a "do-it-yourself" fix. I would think that the only way to fix it right was a new weld.
 

roscoe

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

Grind it or sand it a bit to roughen it up.<br />Then patch it with JB Weld "Marine Weld", <br /><br /> http://jbweld.net/products/marine.php <br /><br /><br />or a 3M 5300 - permanent below waterline sealer.<br /><br />This is what I will be using if I can ever find the leak.
 

MrBigStuff

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

Although you may find it hard to bring yourself to do it, it would be beneficial to drill a small (<1/8") hole at the very ends of the cracks. This will normally slow down the crack migration. With the flexing involved it may not stop it altogether but it is a commonly accepted method for controlling cracks. YMMV
 

Silvertip

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

MrBig hit the nail on the head. Unless something is done to stop the crack from expanding, you will only create other problems. Like having the crack open up to the point where it acts like a scoup and forces a large amount of water into the boat -- possibly into areas that don't drain well.
 

Pogo123

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

Personally (and in the face of many opinions), I would, as has been noted already, clean the crack area well, but before "roughing", I'd drill a small hole in each end of each crack (stop drill).<br /><br />If it cracked, then it underwent stress at the crack point and you likely don't know when or how that stress occurred. If further cracking is not prevented, any existing crack will lengthen should the same stress be encountered again.<br /><br />By small, I mean 1/8 to 3/16". The hole has to be of large enough radius to distribute any future stress loads.<br /><br />Now, score along the crack lightly with some pointed object like the scribe in your tool box or the back of a hunting/ppocket knife ... not as thin bladed as a kitchen knife. This cleans and slightly bevels the crack edges.<br /> <br />Then roughen the surrounding area to give the aluminum some "tooth" for the epoxy to grab onto. Don't get carried away here or you'll just thin the surrounding aluminum thickness.<br /><br />Finally, clean the area with denatured alcohol (leaves no residue, but any aromatic will do, like acetone) and apply any good quality slow or medium cure epoxy (30 minute working time) that has been thickened to paste consistency with either Aerosil, Cabosil or very fine aluminum particles. With a fine file and a chunk of scrap aluminum, you can generate 1/2 teaspoon of aluminum powder in about 2 minutes. It should be about the consistency of Peanut Butter. <br /><br />If you get it too thick, epoxy can be thinned with a few drops of Mineral Spirits.<br /><br />The best application tool I've found is a 1/4" wide wooden coffee stirrer. A popcicle stick is too stiff and too short for my taste, but can be used, particularly if you thin it a bit with some sand paper. Or, you can cut your own off a 2X4 edge with a good knife - just make sure to trim all the "fuzzies" off to get good smooth edges/surfaces.<br /><br />Apply a thin coat of epoxy over the crack, INTO the "stop drill" holes and to about 1/2 inch around the crack feathering it out at the edges to blend with the hull. A layer about 1/16 to 1/8" think is plenty (think of putting a dime over the crack, but no thicker than a nickel. <br /><br />Rig something that will allow you to heat the crack area to about 140 to 160 F. Often just a cardboard box over the area with a 75 watt light bulb inside will generate that much heat. I've also rigged a three sided cardboard box over epoxy cures and blown in hot air with a small ceramic heater set on medium. Put a thermometer inside and close to the crack to monitor the temps so you can sdjust the heat source spacing. Too hot (over 180F is not good). <br /><br />The hotter (up to a limit, of course) you cure epoxy, the harder it cures and the tougher it becomes to future failure. The method I've described yields a bond with a shear strength of over 3000 pounds and an impact fracture strength of 4000 pounds.<br /><br />Cure it for at least 6 hours at high temp (any more than 8 is a waste of electricity) and then let it cool inside the box to ambient temperature for another 8 hours. Over night is good. :) <br /><br />Check by phone with some of the epoxy distributers or manufacturers you can find online. Most are very helpful and some I've used are:<br /><br />John Greer (jgreer.com) 877-342-8860<br />Mas Epoxies (masepoxies.com) 888-627-3789<br />Us Composites (shopmaninc.com) 561-588-1001<br />But there are loads of epoxy resources on the Internet.<br /><br />While I do like JB Weld for many applications and while it may serve the purpose here just fine, what I've given you is how I would do it. <br /><br />Good luck.
 

rottenray6402

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

Why couldn't you rivet a patch over the crack while the expoxy is still soft enough to adhere to the boat and the patch? Wouldn't that make the repair last longer?
 

Pogo123

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

With cracks that small, Ray, I think that many rivets in such close proximity would actually weaken the area. But ... that's just my opinion.<br /><br />Your suggestion might be of geatest value, however, on the smallest cracks ("under a 1/2"}. One large headed rivet right through the crack or a rivet through an aluminum washer through the crack might be a good fix there.<br /><br />Applied as I have described, however, the epoxied area is then the strongest part of the hull, but there are, admittedly, other workable methods.
 

chipzinger

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Re: Cracks in alluminum hull

Thanks everbody for all the replys, if anybody else has any ideas I will still be checking my post. Even if I have to epoxy it every year as long as the cracks dont get any bigger its still cheaper than ripping the whole deck off, Thanks Again!
 
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