Dependability / Durability

FreeMe

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I know arguments about maintenance, lemons from any brand, anything mechanical will break, fuel, oil, how used, etc.

I want to hear from bass fishermen who have owned several boats and engines over the years, and spend a lot of time on the water.

If you were told you could only have one outboard engine for fishing the rest of your life, and you had zero funds to spend on maintenance, parts or repairs...

For this purpose you can put all the fuel (and oil if 2-cycle) you wanted through it, replace the impeller regularly, change the lower unit oil.

But the plugs, coils, injection, carbs, charging system, lower unit, etc. have to last because when it won't start due to plugs or carbs or injectors or any other reason you are done fishing from a bass boat...

Must be 70 HP or larger since the small engines all seem to run forever with reasonable care.

Assume you can buy any year or brand you want brand new even if 1970, 1980, 1990, etc.

Assume you pick the engine to last you for many years of fishing then get the boat to fit that engine.

What engine would you buy and why?

What Brand?

What Horsepower? Any preference based on dependability / durability for 70, 90, 115, 125, 150, 175, 200, 225?

Fuel Injected or Carbs?

2-Stroke or 4-Stroke?

Looking for lowest total cost of ownership and lowest frustration level here guys - when you hit the starter it starts and when you hit the throttle it runs and you don't worry about using it, hours, etc. because it is well designed and will hold up.
 

saumon

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Re: Dependability / Durability

Definitely an E-Tec in whatever hp you want. Reliables, minimal maintenance, low cost of operation. If i had to buy a new, let's say, 150hp, that's what i would choose without a doubt (but, unfortunately for me, i can wrench a bit and can't afford to spend 10k on an engine, so i repair and maintain two-stroke outboards...).
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Dependability / Durability

<<music on/ "to dream the impossible dream..."/music off >>

You have to approach boating from the perspective that boats are inherently unreliable. None are maintenance free, and the ones which require the least repairs are the ones that are well maintained. And if you are willing to replace an impeller, and change LU oil, why not replace plugs, too? easy and easy to carry spares.

Most of the problems in operations today (according to repair shops) come from fuel. So it doesn't matter what motor you have, if you don't baby your fuel.

I know people who have become frustrated with their old motors, sprung for brand new ones, and found themselves paddling back to the shop anyway. I know people--salt water people--who do absolutely nothing to their motors and never ahve a problem.

Overall, I think the least temperamental newer motors are Yamaha 2 stroke carbed, and older motors are the OMC's, such as the mid-80's 70 hp or the early 70's 55. early sixties 18 is one of the best but too small for you. I personally can't speak to the Etec but hear great th9ings about them around here.
 

robert graham

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Re: Dependability / Durability

Pretty hard to beat a Yamaha mid-range(40HPto90HP)2 stroke, carbed, premix. If you can just do basic preventive maintenance AND keep clean fresh(stabilized) fuel in them, then they're about as bullet-proof as you can get. That's been my experience and I've owned several of them. Plenty of other good motors on the market that give good service with proper maintenance, but I'm partial to the simplicity of the Yamaha 2 stroke premixers.
 

FreeMe

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Re: Dependability / Durability

I have had several boats, but wanted to glean knowledge from people who use them a lot since all of my use has been recreational / occasional.

The reason for the plugs is I know some engines have a tendency to foul plugs worse than others and I really don't want to have to wrench on the motor out on the lake. Lower unit oil and impellers are more annual maintenance items and not something that should leave you stranded if you replace them.

The rest, plugs, computers, coils, alternators (although not called that for boats), pistons, rods, injectors, pumps, etc. are the issues that leave you stranded out on the lake or at the dock or with a big unexpected repair bill.

So I want to know what engines people who use them a lot think are the least likely to have these unexpected issues if you take care of them.

I am thinking carb 2-stroke from mid to late 1990 but want some specifics. Like a particular block that seems to be bulletproof, etc. Is an XR6 on the larger block more or less dependable than the standard 150? Is a Johnson Fast Strike more or less dependable than the standard output?

There should be some folks out there who know the particulars of when manufacturers made specific modifications that caused dependability to increase or decrease, or fuel efficiency to increase or decrease even with older carburated engines, etc.



<<music on/ "to dream the impossible dream..."/music off >>

You have to approach boating from the perspective that boats are inherently unreliable. None are maintenance free, and the ones which require the least repairs are the ones that are well maintained. And if you are willing to replace an impeller, and change LU oil, why not replace plugs, too? easy and easy to carry spares.

Most of the problems in operations today (according to repair shops) come from fuel. So it doesn't matter what motor you have, if you don't baby your fuel.

I know people who have become frustrated with their old motors, sprung for brand new ones, and found themselves paddling back to the shop anyway. I know people--salt water people--who do absolutely nothing to their motors and never ahve a problem.

Overall, I think the least temperamental newer motors are Yamaha 2 stroke carbed, and older motors are the OMC's, such as the mid-80's 70 hp or the early 70's 55. early sixties 18 is one of the best but too small for you. I personally can't speak to the Etec but hear great th9ings about them around here.
 

Cadwelder

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Re: Dependability / Durability

Isn't everyone on this Forum in U.S.?

No not everyone is from the USA.

And I have owned and ran almost every brand out there (even an old Scott Attwater) and have had minor problems with all of them, and nothing major with any of them, however I do maintain them regularly. When you ask twenty people what is the best of anything you'll get 20 different answers.... Read my tag line.
 
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