Diferent names for one same part.

Bill1

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I would like to share with all of you what has been happening to me the past week. I am triing to solve a problem with a continious beeeeep on the "WARNING ALARM" of my boat, and I have had so much trouble triing to find the way to fix it. But how can I, if all the parts have different names, even in the motor manual. For instance the temperature swith is also called the temperature sender, but they are two different things, the oil level sensor is also called OIL SWITCH, OIL SENSOR, and it has taken me the hole day to find on ebay a warning horn, which is also called WARNING ALARM, but to my surprise you will find it under the name of WARNING BEEPER.
So for us people that don't know much about technical words is very confusing and frustraiting, and can't go to the forum to ask every thing, forumers expect you to find some things by your one. Some body should do something about it. Thanks

Bill1
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Diferent names for one same part.

some of the terms you listed do indeed refer to different things.... for example a xxxsending unit controls a guage where as a xxxswitch turns a light or buzzer etc on/off..... there generally is alot of confusion on terms buy don't sweat it, you'll get it sorted out...... also remember that sometimes the "experts" are wrong too
 

Silvertip

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I fail to see where the words horn, beeper, buzzer, and alarm should cause a problem for you. They are all audible devices and are simply sound making devices to tell you that the engine has a problem. If you are finding all those terms on E-bay, remember that you are dealing with people like yourself who are simply trying to sell stuff they have on hand and in many cases they don't know the proper term either. Put yourself in the shoes of the parts guy who is trying to help you. You ask for a part -- he checks the parts book and finds two, three, or four parts that may meet your description. If you cannot define what you need that's not his fault. He is not a mind reader. Next, each manufacturer can call a part anything they like. It is up to you, the dealers, their mechanics and parts people to learn what the terminology is. As for the words sender and switch they are two different devices. If you have a temperature gauge, your engine has a temperature sender which is a variable resistance electrical device. A temperature switch is a device just like a light switch. It turns on the buzzer/alarm/horn/beeper. Gee whiz, people call a light bulb a bulb or a lamp when a florist would refer to a bulb (a plant) in a totally different context. This is why a service manual that is specific to your engine is of such importance. Yes - you have a manual but is it the "factory" service manual. As for someone doing something about it, what would you suggest someone do and where would you start? The real solution for you is to become educated on whatever it is you intend to service, or let somone else do it. When you see the terms buzzer, beeper, audible alarm and alarm, which of those four do you really think are the proper terms. If you picked the last two you would be correct. That does not make the first two wrong. They are simply terms that have popped up by uninformed people over the years much like the proverbial "pisser" which is about as non-technical as you can get for and "overboard indicator" or "telltale".

Now to your problem. A constant beep/buzz/tone/horn (you pick the term) typically means the engine is overheating. If it does this when the engine is off and stone cold, either the temperature SWITCH is stuck closed in which all you need to do is disconnect it to see if the noise stops. If not, the temperature switch is ok and you move on to the buzzer/horn/beeper itself. You might also check the tan wire to make sure it is not grounded as that's what sets off the beeper/buzzer/horn. Since we have no idea what motor you are working on that's about as far as we can go.
 

180shabah

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We are making assumptions here, the OP hasn't ID'd his engine. If it IS a mercruiser, there are 3 switches that activate the alarm:
- temperature
- oil pressure
- oil level (drive not engine)
they work by shorting to ground, unplug them, reconnect one at a time till you hear the buzzer.
 

180shabah

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Re: Diferent names for one same part.

... When does it sound? Key on, engine off = alarm, cause there is zero oil pressure.
 

Bill1

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Re: Diferent names for one same part.

Thanks very much all of You. I just wanted to be listened, and I did. Thanks.
My motor is a 50 hp mercury, and I think I already found the problem, it was the oil level sensor.
You are right Silvertip, it is about me to find the proper words and solutions, but think, you have never had a boat, you are not that much of a mechanich, and sudenly you buy a boat and want to buy a part for your motor and it turns out to be very complicated. At the end you end up realizing it was very simple, but it took you a week to learn that. For instance, I ordered the oil level swith, the official name for it is SWITCH ASSEMBLY. Please don't get me wrong, but the name for thart part on the manual is totally diferent from the part that I ordered, it took me a alot of time to get to that point. Eventually you end up finding the solution, I just wish it would be less complicated, too many other things to do, once you learn is easy, meanwhile it's frustraiting.
 

Silvertip

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I understand your frustration but doctors go to school to learn what makes a body tick. Likewise, mechanics can take two paths to lean how to work on engines 1) trial and error as you did, which results in the problems you experienced or 2) go to school. Look at it this way. Parts Listings and Service Manuals are used for two entirely different purposes. In a service manual you are troubleshooting down to the individual component level. Once that component is determined to be defective you head to a Parts List to locate the part number. Electrical and mechanical components may or may not be available as individual pieces but rather, like your switch assembly, consists of the switch, wires, and terminals or plug(s). Assembly means just that -- it is a group of parts that are assembled. When using a manual and a switch is mentioned, the switch may not be available separately. You need to order the assembly. The switch is just the defective part within that assembly. That's not a fault of the manual. It is understanding of mechanics/electronics. A simple nut or bolt for example is a single part. A carburetor on the other hand is made up of many individual parts each of which may be available separately. In the parts list the carburetor may be listed as a carburetor or carburetor assembly but the service manual will refer to it as just the carburetor because that's what is being discussed.
 

JoLin

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Re: Diferent names for one same part.

but think, you have never had a boat, you are not that much of a mechanich, and sudenly you buy a boat and want to buy a part for your motor and it turns out to be very complicated. At the end you end up realizing it was very simple, but it took you a week to learn that. .

That, one might say, is simply "the way of things"

When I was learning to service my outboard, I routinely used the factory service manual, my Seloc manual, and a parts (diagram) manual ALL AT THE SAME TIME, to muddle through. One would have the better description, another would have the better picture, and the parts manual would show me how it all screws together.

EVERY specialty has its own terminology, and most terms have variations depending on where you look or who you ask.

Some years ago I sent my wife to the local hardware store to buy 2 Madison Clamps, among some other things. He gave them to her for free because he hadn't heard a homeowner refer to them by their "correct" name in years.

Stay with it- things become clearer with experience.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Diferent names for one same part.

heck this isn't limited to boats..... we americans do not all speak the same language..... I remember as a kid moving from kansas to texas.... I ordered a coke at a resturant and they asked me "what kind of coke" now to me this was a crazy question... at that time coke was coke there was no coke zero or anything like that.... after a little confusion they explained that they had all kinds of "coke" they had sprite, orange, root beer, and "cocola"....
What we called pop in kansas was called coke in texas and soda in other places etc....
 
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