Dissolve SS Bolt With Electrolysis?

jmb23802

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Opened up the raw water pump on the front of my VP engine to check the impeller condition after an overheat event and accidentally dropped a stainless steel machine screw during the process. Of course, the screw bounced between the stringer and the plastic gas tank and is now rolling around beneath the gas tank. This is a small stainless steel machine screw with a round head (allen key) on it that is about 1" long.

Long story short, me and a helper sacrificed a boating vacation day trying everything under the sun to retrieve this screw and it appears that it just isn't coming out without removing the tank first. My fear is that this screw will eventually cause the fuel tank to leak - maybe never, maybe not while we own it, maybe 5 years from now, maybe next year - will we catch it in time if a leak occurs? Hate the idea of always looking over my shoulder for a gas leak that might happen (or not). Also, seems awful to hack up a boat to recover a screw due to a 1-2 second lapse from being extremely careful during a routine maintenance procedure, but that's the state of boat design & manufacturing practices, perhaps.

Took me years to find this boat, I kinda like it the way it is, and haven't had it a whole year yet so not ready to get rid of it yet. Also, not comfortable with sawing up the boat to get the fuel tank out either.

The tank sits isolated in a fiberglass box inside the boat (there is a drain hole, but not a clear path that would accommodate the screw to allow me to flush it out).

Would it be realistic to put some type of solution in the area where the plastic fuel tank sits (blocking the drain hole first, the solution would go into the fiberglass area and fill the gap between the fiberglass and the plastic tank deep enough to ensure the screw is covered) and then introduce some sort of dissimilar metal into the solution that would cause the stainless steel screw to dissolve through electrolysis? Could this be setup to accomplish total (or near total) dissolution in a matter of a week or two? a month? Can it be done with materials commonly available?

Curious to hear your thoughts.
 

Old Ironmaker

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That would drive me nuts too, I hear your pain. Any "some type of solution" that is an unknown solution at this time that is corrosive enough to degrade a SS screw would melt any plastic in there as well is my thinking. Then we are guaranteed to have a fuel leak.

I might try this. Some endoscopic surgery. Rent, borrow or buy a snake camera and locate the screw. At the end of a piece of flexible rod or very heavy wire put a sticky glob of PL construction glue or the like on the end. Using the scope to find and shine light on the screw touch the pesky screw with the sticky end of the rod. Let the glue set up. Slowly and carefully remove the screw on the tip of the rod. DO NOT get any glue on the end of the camera. I would wrap the end of the scope tightly in Saran Wrap. That should protect the lens and not obscure the picture.

Now I didn't mention using a magnet. Any stainless steel with Copper in it referred to as 300 series is not magnetic. If you have the identical screw on the boat you might be lucky and it doesn't have Copper in it and you can use a magnet rod to pull the bugger out using the camera as your eyes.
 

dingbat

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I wouldn't worry about it unless it's wedged under the tank.

Stainless is impervious to most chemicals. I wouldn't want to be putting anything in my boat aggressive enough to dissolve stainless
 

jmb23802

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To clarify, I don't want to directly dissolve the stainless steel with any sort of caustic chemical. I agree that would likely be dangerous to the fuel tank not to mention my health and the environment. I've tried the sticky stuff on the end of a wire, vacuum through a small hose, "grabber" claws in a flexible tube, wire hanger, and other ideas, to no avail.

The screw is lying in some sort of gutter/trough molded in the fiberglass of the cavity that gets tighter against the tank toward the stern and it is proving extremely difficult to manage the bend around multiple angle changes to get something under the tank yet still be shaped properly to make close contact with the screw. I can see it with a borescope, but making contact is another story.

Rather than a caustic acid that might eat the tank before the screw, I'm thinking put some brine water in the tank cavity and introduce a substantially more noble metal (something with a string on it so I can retrieve it easily) to the salt water solution and let the galvanic corrosion process work its magic. In effect, the stainless steel screw would become an anode in this scenario. Anyone tried something like this?

Not sure what metal to use or how long that would take. I'm guessing the screw is 316 SS but have no idea. If I could locate the screw with a borescope I could keep an eye on it. Maybe I could throw a couple bars of graphite on a string down beneath the tank and let the galvanic corrosion do its thing. I could leave it in there for a while, drain it for the winter, and leave it in there all summer next year, if needed......
 
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GA_Boater

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My solution is simple - fuggedaboudit.

The screw isn't wedged under the tank, it's just laying there and no danger of poking or wearing a hole in the tank. But if you keep trying to get it out, that may change to being wedged and then it may be a problem.

Go use the boat and one day when changing oil or the impeller you'll look down a wonder where that screw came from.
 

MTboatguy

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I would not do anything with it, if it is in a channel in the hull it is going to take a good hit to dislodge it, so don't worry about it, keep a check when doing things that needs to be done, but enjoy your boat and let it become a whisper in your mind.
 

Grub54891

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Plastic tanks bulge out when full. If you have it empty possibly would give you better access. Just dreaming up ideas..,..
 

Bondo

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Ayuh,..... Park the boat headed Up the steepest hill you can find, 'n jack the front of the boat as high as possible,......
Then flush the screw out with water,......

Myself, I'd hook the backhoe to the front of it, 'n lift it as near vertical as possible, but I'm guessin' you don't have a backhoe,.....

Nothin' is gonna dissolve a ssteel screw,....
 

nitsuj

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I think you're worrying too much about it. First time you accelerate up a hill with it trailered, or giver her the smoke when you're on the water, it's going to come tumbling out.
 

jmb23802

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Perhaps you're all right and I should forget about it. What's done is done. We gave our best effort to get it out and couldn't do it - nothing left to do but enjoy the boat as-is and deal with the problem if or when it ever happens.

Appreciate the reality check, gents.
 

briangcc

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It's magnetic right? Try a small extendable magnet - kind you can get at Harbor Freight. If you can see it you should be able to get it out that way. Just a thought.
 

jmb23802

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It's magnetic right? Try a small extendable magnet - kind you can get at Harbor Freight. If you can see it you should be able to get it out that way. Just a thought.

Good idea, but the stainless steel screw is not magnetic. If only it was, we would have had it out in a few minutes and been on the water without missing a beat that day.
 

JimS123

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Stainless steel is pretty rust resistant, but it is not compatible with Sodium Hypochlorite (common household bleach). That's why pool fittings are PVC.

Nevertheless, even though it will corrode, it would take a month of Sundays to completely dissolve.
 

Old Ironmaker

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That would drive me nuts too, I hear your pain. Any "some type of solution" that is an unknown solution at this time that is corrosive enough to degrade a SS screw would melt any plastic in there as well is my thinking. Then we are guaranteed to have a fuel leak.

I might try this. Some endoscopic surgery. Rent, borrow or buy a snake camera and locate the screw. At the end of a piece of flexible rod or very heavy wire put a sticky glob of PL construction glue or the like on the end. Using the scope to find and shine light on the screw touch the pesky screw with the sticky end of the rod. Let the glue set up. Slowly and carefully remove the screw on the tip of the rod. DO NOT get any glue on the end of the camera. I would wrap the end of the scope tightly in Saran Wrap. That should protect the lens and not obscure the picture.

Now I didn't mention using a magnet. Any stainless steel with Copper in it referred to as 300 series is not magnetic. If you have the identical screw on the boat you might be lucky and it doesn't have Copper in it and you can use a magnet rod to pull the bugger out using the camera as your eyes.

Or you can just leave it be and fergedaboudit. I agree.
 
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