Do I need a new prop

Philandviki

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I was bringing my boat in today and as I got closer to shore I heard the prop hitting sand and rocks etc. It was not enough to stop the motor on the boat and I just raised the motor a little more out of the water. After that the motor sounded kind of funny . When I got home I hooked it up to the hose and started the engine. It sounds good. I put it in gear and it was making a funny noise again. I want to say that the prop maybe bent ? 1 blade is missing some metal on the edge , the second blade not missing as much and the third none at all. Do you think my propeller needs to be replaced or could I have damaged the actual propeller shaft ? I have a 2006 bayliner 185 with the 135 hp 3.0 mercrusier engine. Could the missing metal on the prop make it spin off balance enough for me to hear it ? Thank you phil
 

Mi duckdown

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Re: Do I need a new prop

rebuild the Prop. before you damaged to the lower end. by a screwed up prop.
 

Texasmark

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Re: Do I need a new prop

Do a run out on the prop shaft while your prop is getting repaired. Get on a hard surface (driveway) with a dial/digital caliper at the rear of the prop shaft...lie down next to it so that you can accurately measure the run-out. Have someone else carefully rotate the shaft with a pair of channel locks or something in N gear. For me, any detectable variance would mean new prop shaft.

Concerned about the noise out of the water. Could be a broken prop hub if using the new replaceable ones...hopefully. Otherwise you did some damage in your gear box. Once you check the run-out, run it with the prop off and see if it makes any noise on muffs.

Mark
 

Philandviki

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Re: Do I need a new prop

Ok.. I wasn't sure if I could run it with the prop not on the shaft. I was going to take the prop off put the muffs on , start it up and put it in gear. I figure if it doesn't make the noise i should start by replacing the prop. What I hit didn't seem to be that big. Is it possible a little rock or pebble is stuck inside the prop area ? When I take this prop off do I need to buy a new hub kit to get the new hub back on ? Also does anyone know what size socket I need. 1 1/4 is to big and the next size down that I have is 13/16... Thank you phil.
 

ufm82

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Re: Do I need a new prop

1 1/16" is the nut size. Go to a boat shop and buy the plastic prop nut wrench- they're about $14. If you have a prop with the Torque Flo hub ( a plastic insert in the prop) you won't have to replace it unless you've damaged it. If it is damaged it did its job- it broke before something more expensive did. Bend the retainer tabs so they disengage the hub kit, block the prop with a piece of 2X4 between the prop and the L/U and take the nut off. Everything will slide off easily hopefully. Then look at the guts.
If you bent the shaft it is possible that the edge of the prop is contacting the L/U but it would have to be tweaked pretty hard for that. You didn't say if it was aluminum or SS but if aluminum I doubt you hurt anything. SS is a different story. Good luck
 

Philandviki

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Re: Do I need a new prop

Ok.. Will do that. .. I went outside today and put it in gear without the engine running. I then spun the prop by hand and I could hear a clicking noise in what seems to be the lower portion of the motor where the prop attaches. It sounds like there are gears in there and something is broke and it's clicking. I have an aluminum prop..... I really think I did some damage to the gears or something big.. I don't have any luck with things and I cant imagine another reason it would make that clanking noise in both forward and reverse ..
 

craze1cars

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Re: Do I need a new prop

Let's not over-react. If you knocked a little bit of material off the blade of an aluminum prop, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely you did any internal drive damage. Aluminum props are simply too soft.

If this is an Alpha, make sure you realize that they ALL click when you spin it by hand when in gear. This is by design and normal.

If in forward gear (engine OFF), you should be able to spin the prop clockwise, with rhythmic click click click click clicking as it rotates. And you should not be able to spin the prop counter-clockwise without a large amount of strength because you will also be turning the motor. If in reverse gear, you shiould be able to spin the prop counter-clockwise, with rhythmic clicking. And you will not be able to spin the motor clockwise without much strength, again because you will also be turning over the motor.

It should be quiet when you spin it in neutral. But if it clicks just a tiny bit when in neutral, it's usually becuase you might need a shift cable adjustment, but it's not catastrophic.

You can check for a bent prop shaft with prop removed, and a run-out gauge properly mounted.

If you were hearing noises after you raised the motor up to get out of the shallows, it's probably because you were running the motor with the U-joints in a bind and this tends to make some noise. And same if you are running the motor at home with the drive tilted above the normal trim range. You must ALWAYS have the drive in the DOWN position when running an I/O....whether you are in neutral/on muffs or not. NEVER EVER run an I/O engine with it tilted up beyond normal trim range...it can cause driveshaft/U-joint/Gimbal bearing/Gimbal housing damage. This is possible, if you have been running the motor for even a very short period of time while trimmed up into the "trailer" position too far.

People so often think you can use the trailer button to trim up an I/O beyond the trim range, in order to then drive out of a shallow area like it sounds like you may have done. This is usually a BAD idea as it can do driveshaft/gimbal damage. The damage has NOTHING to do with hitting anything with the prop, and simply has to do with that fact that every single rotation of the engine was slamming your ujoints into a very stressful bind while the motor was running with the outdrive tipped up. Sometimes people can get away with this without damage. Sometimes you cannot....

If you need to use the trailer button to get out of a shallow area, and want prevent this possible damage/excessive wear & tear, shut the motor OFF, then trim up all the way, then use an oar or rope or whatever to get the boat out of the shallows. Then trim back down, THEN re-start the motor and drive away. I/O's are NOT outboards, and they cannot be run in a "tilted" position without potential damage.

If any of this simply confuses you, just take it to your favorite marina, tell them what happened, and ask them if there is any damage. They can check it out for you and ease your fears. They might need to remove the outdrive from the boat to assess it fully. Or they might just be able to put it in their dunk tank and run it, and assess with their ears...

To directly answer your title question. Yes, you need to either replace the prop, or have it rebuilt/rebalanced (often $75-ish depending on your location). Either is an excellent alternative, again ask your marina for advice after they see the prop. Do not run a motor with a damaged prop.
 
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