Draft for FAQ-- Electric Starter Circuit Diagnosis

Xcusme

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The following is a description of a typical electric starter circuit. While the circuit<br />shown is generic by nature, the basic concepts can be used as a starting point in<br />the troubleshooting process for your application. Additional steps needed to<br />troubleshoot and maintain the system are included.<br /><br />SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS BEFORE YOU START TROUBLESHOOTING:<br /><br />Replacement parts should be carefully selected for marine use only, never retrofit an<br />automotive type solenoid for marine use, they are not tested under the same<br />guidelines as their marine counterparts to be explosion proof. Fumes from a leaking<br />fuel line under the motor hood can be ignited by an arcing automotive solenoid.<br />Be extremely careful about causing sparks that may ignite battery gasses. Work only<br />in a well ventilated area. Battery gasses are highly explosive. Inspect the fuel<br />delivery system of the motor carefully BEFORE you start working on the starter<br />circuit. Be sure that there are no fuel leaks anywhere in or around the engine<br />compartment. Keep a fire extinguisher handy just in case.<br /><br />Never 'jump out' or bypass the Neutral Safety Switch...period. Having a motor , even<br />smaller motors, start while in gear can be life threatening. Losing your balance,<br />going overboard and watching a run-away boat can be very scarry, not to mention,<br />it's very dangerous.<br /><br />Additional points to remember. Starter motors draw huge amounts of current. All<br />wiring connections must be clean and tight. Corroded or rusty connections act as<br />points of high resistance to the current flow that the starter needs to function. If you<br />feel a connection and it feels overly hot, that's probably a point of poor connection.<br />Make sure the starter itself is properly grounded through it's mounting bolts. Check<br />that both battery connections are tight ,clean and bright as well, including the<br />battery ground connection. Long cranking times put a lot of strain on the battery,<br />solenoid, starter and wiring. If things start to get overly hot, stop for a bit, let things<br />cool down, grab a cool drink (non-alcoholic !!) and give it a rest, it'll still be there for<br />round two. If you really get into a jamb, post in the appropriate forum for some<br />additional help and ideas.<br /><br /><br />I figure a picture is worth a thousand words with an explanation of how this circuit<br />works. The circuit may look confusing at first, but it's really a simple concept if<br />broken down into it's parts.<br /><br /><br />
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<br /><br /><br />The main parts are:<br /><br />12VDC Battery<br />Ignition Fuse<br />Ignition Switch<br />Neutral Safety Switch<br />Starter Solenoid<br />Starter<br /><br />Circuit theory of operation:<br />-----------------------------------------<br />Lets start at the battery and trace the path of the voltage through the starter system<br />with tips along the way.<br /><br />Since this is a negative ground system, the negative side of the battery is ground.<br /><br />The positive side of the battery supplies 12VDC voltage to one side (large post) of<br />the solenoid at Terminal #6.<br /><br />The ignition supply wire is also connected to this large post of the solenoid.<br />The ignition supply wire may be connected directly to the positive battery post in<br />some applications instead of the solenoid terminal #6.<br /><br />Voltage travels through the ignition supply wire, through a fuse and into the ignition<br />switch at terminal #5. The voltage stops at this point since the key is in the OFF<br />position.<br /><br />When the ignition key is turned to the Start position, the voltage leaves the ignition<br />switch on terminal #4 and travels to one side of the Neutral safety switch (red A).<br /><br />The function of the Neutral Safety switch is to insure that the motor is shifted in<br />Neutral before the motor can start. The neutral safety switch is normally an Open<br />Circuit (no voltage can pass through it) until the motor is in neutral gear.<br /><br />When the motor is shifted into Neutral gear, the switch closes allowing voltage to<br />pass through the switch to ( red B) , and then on to terminal #3 of the solenoid. The<br />voltage enters the solenoid at terminal #3 and then out terminal #2 to ground<br />(terminal #1), completing the circuit. When the solenoid gets voltage and ground<br />(terminals #3 and 2 respectively) the solenoid closes. Usually a click can be heard<br />when the solenoid energizes and it's internal contacts close.<br /><br />When the solenoid closes ( is energized), voltage from terminal #6 is passed through<br />the solenoid to terminal #7 and on to terminal #8, the starter. The voltage continues<br />through the starter windings and finally to ground through the starter case itself<br />which is bolted to ground. This completes the circuit and the starter should spin.<br /><br /><br />Troubleshooting and testing the circuit:<br />------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Troubleshooting this circuit is really a piece of cake. All you need is a quality DVM<br />Digital Volt-ohm Meter.<br /><br />Lets first start by checking the battery connections:<br />Positive Battery cable connection<br />Negative Battery cable connection<br />Primary battery ground to powerhead- block<br />Starter mounting bolts- ground.<br />These tests are very important. Small amounts of resistance can have a very large<br />impact on the amount of current that the battery can deliver to the starter. If the<br />resistances are too high, the battery won't be able to supply enough current to spin<br />the starter to full RPM.<br /><br />Drop volt testing of the circuit is perhaps an easier and faster way to test for circuit<br />resistances too.<br />The idea here is to identify the points of unwanted resistance and correct them so<br />battery current can flow.<br /><br />Set your DVM to read DC volts.<br />Remove the wire at terminal #2<br /><br />Connect the voltmeter Black test lead to a good ground. The battery Negative post<br />is ideal.<br /><br />Using the Red test lead:<br />Probe terminal #6, you should see 12VDC . If you read zero volts, check for a broken<br />wire between the positive battery clamp and term #6 or a poor<br />connection at positive battery terminal or terminal END at #6.<br /><br />Probe terminal #5, you should see 12VDC . If you have zero volts, check for blown<br />fuse, or broken ignition supply wire between terminals #6 and #5.<br /><br />Probe terminal #4 , turn ignition key to start position. You should see 12VDC. If you<br />have zero volts, replace ignition switch.<br /><br />Probe the ignition switch side of the Neutral Safety Switch (red A) and turn ignition<br />key to start position. You should see 12VDC . If you have zero volts, check for a<br />broken wire between terminal #4 and the red A.<br />Return ignition key to OFF position.<br /><br />Probe the red B terminal. Place motor in Neutral gear and turn ignition key to start<br />position. You should see 12VDC at the red B terminal. If you have zero volts, replace<br />Neutral Safety Switch. Return ignition key to OFF position.<br /><br />Probe terminal #3 . Place motor in Neutral gear and turn ignition key to start position.<br />You should see 12VDC at terminal #3. If you have zero volts, check for broken wire<br />between the red B and terminal #3.<br />Return ignition key to OFF position.<br /><br />To test terminal #2.<br />Probe terminal #2 (post of solenoid), Place motor in Neutral gear and turn ignition<br />key to start position.<br />You should read 12VDC. If you show zero volts, you have an open coil in the<br />solenoid, replace solenoid.<br /><br />The last connection to test is the jumper wire from terminal #2 and #1 (ground<br />connection). To test this jumper wire (it's still disconnected from the solenoid), place<br />Black test probe on the terminal END of #2 and place the RED test probe on battery<br />positive. You should read 12VDC. If you show zero volts, you have either a broken<br />wire between terminal END #2 and terminal #1 OR terminal #1 is corroded and not<br />making good ground contact.<br /><br />Replace the terminal END #2 back on solenoid.<br /><br />Turn ignition key to start position, you should hear solenoid click.<br />If you don't hear the solenoid 'click' after doing the above tests, the coil of the<br />solenoid is probably open, replace solenoid.<br /><br /><br />Starter Test:<br /><br />Place the Black test lead on negative battery POST<br />Place RED test lead on the starter case<br />Turn key to start position<br />Meter should read zero volts<br />If you read a voltage much over .250, you have a ground problem.<br />Check the following:<br />Negative battery cable to powerhead-block ground connection<br />Negative battery terminal connection<br />Starter mounting bolts.<br /><br /><br />Place the RED test lead on the positive battery POST<br />Place the Back test lead on the starters battery connection STUD<br />Turn the key to the start position<br />Meter should read zero volts<br />If you read much over .250 volts you have a bad connection.<br />Check the following:<br />Bad connection at terminal #8<br />Bad connection at terminal #7<br />Bad internal contact points of solenoid<br />Bad connection at terminal #6<br />Bad contact at positive battery cable<br /><br /><br />Please feel free to post your comments and suggestions , as this is a work in<br />progress.<br /><br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Xcusme
 

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Re: Draft for FAQ-- Electric Starter Circuit Diagnosis

A+. Good job X. Thanks.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

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Fantastic Job, Xcusme.... ;)
 

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Looks very good, X.<br /><br />I suggest that measurements intended to detect low resistance connection/cable faults be done with the starter engaged. Here is why:<br /><br />Suppose there is a .5 ohm resistance in the ground cable to engine block connection. Measuring voltage with essentially no current flowing through that connection will show no voltage drop at all and not detect the fault.<br /><br />Trying to start the engine, however, will allow only 24 amps or less to flow in the circuit before that connection is dropping the entire 12V. The starter would not be able to turn the engine.<br /><br />Measuring from engine block to the battery ground terminal will show zero volts without engaging the starter, 12V with starter engaged.<br /><br />Your procedure would not detect the fault and the user would change his starter.<br /><br />This type fault is very common and commonly baffles inexperienced wrenches. If it occurs in any of the high current circuit connections or cables it can only be detected with power on the circuit.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

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Re: Draft for FAQ-- Electric Starter Circuit Diagnosis

Thanks JB, you're right. <br />I'll note the changes.
 

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Re: Draft for FAQ-- Electric Starter Circuit Diagnosis

im in the midst of this actual process right now on a 1972 50hp evinrude.<br />questions is how do i wire the solenoid. i know what wires need connecting, but at which terminal. there is the 2 large terminals, and the 2 smaller ones. smaller ones are labeled " I " and " S " . one is ground and other is the ignition switch, but which?<br /><br />also, of the two larger terminals, does it matter/ make difference which one gets the cable from the battery and which one gets the cable to the starter?<br /><br />this should also help anybody else in the same predictement(sp)<br /><br />thanks guys<br /><br />m ikey
 

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PMM.<br /><br />Your question needs to be a new topic. This thread is to make suggestions and comments on "X's" article.<br /><br />Put your question in JohnnyRude Troubles.<br /><br />Thanks. :)
 

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Xcusme,<br />That is a great troubleshooting plan. You really put a lot of thought into it and it will help a lot of newbies.<br />My only suggestion would be to move the warning about the gas fumes and big boom type stuff up to the beginning. Maybe even highlight or bold type it.<br />Not to say that NO man will read all the directions first, but how many won't. <br />Again, great job. I have been an aircraft electrician for 18+ years and couldn't have written it better. (there's no emoticon for a "two thumbs up", or it would be here) ;) <br /><br />Chappy
 

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AkFishingNut,<br />Thanks for the input. It did cross my mind about putting the usual warning stuff at the beginning of the article for the reasons you mentioned. I've known for a long time that's it's never a good thing to let the engineer write the instruction manual, they assume too much.<br />Thanks again for your feedback.
 

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Doing just this on my Wooldridge. Xcuse, in the second paragraph of the troubleshooting section, you mention disconnecting terminal 8 and 2. In paragraph nine, you mention terminal 3 is disconnected..Should the initial disconnect be 3 or 2?<br /><br />This question is brought to you by a severely electrically impaired boater..
 

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hello<br /> very well done. there is a voltage drop test to perfom that will give results more rapidly and accurately for cable connections.also voltage cant flow only current. keep up the good work and ill try to find my sheet on the drop tests.
 

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Thanks Rodbolt<br /><br />Gees, this is turning into a book! This was supposed to be a basic article, but I guess trying to explain the basic concepts between voltage,current and resistance can be daunting to say the least. Perhaps this was a mistake. JB's FAQ "Outboard Wont Start" is a fine piece which is short, concise and gets right to the point. Perhaps it would be better to retract this post and deal with folks questions through the forums on a one to one basis. <br /><br />JB was right on target when he said "Electrical troubleshooting without a voltmeter and understanding of Ohm's Law makes about as much sense as baking without an oven".<br /><br />Thanks to all who have offered suggestions and help. This was a collaborative effort for sure and I welcomed any suggestions to cover the high points , and finer points too!
 

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kev-alaska,<br />I certainly wouldn't call you "a severely electrically impaired boater.. "<br />heck, you caught a good point I missed!! Thanks
 

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Re: Draft for FAQ-- Electric Starter Circuit Diagnosis

Xcusme,<br /> Nice write up on the electric starter circuit. Have you ever heard of any problems with no solenoid clicking when key is turned only when boat is on the water. Doesn't happen during extensive testing in driveway or at dealer?
 
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