drill jets?

yoggii

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After cleaning and rebuilding carbs on 1973 65 hp johnson,it still stalls sometimes at throttle up,I have read that drilling out the low speed jets will help that..Can someone tell me how to do this.and do you tighten these jets down tight?they are fixed jets.compression and spark is good.
 

Faztbullet

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Re: drill jets?

Jets are reamed ...never drilled. Will your engine idle on timing, other words the roller is off the throttle cam. If so open the gap up a tad between roller and cam as the older worn engines like a little more timing (spark) before the fuel is thrown to it.
 

boobie

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Re: drill jets?

You don't mess with jets by drilling them as it can mess up the flow in them. Best thing to do is change sizes with new ones if you have to. See the top secret files at the top of this forum and look up carb cleaning. You'll find a pic of the special tool required to remove and replace the fixed jets. You can make your own out of a screw driver.
 

toddschubert

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I second the new ones boobie. I told the guy with 91,90 won't run post the same thing
 

yoggii

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Re: drill jets?

Can you order bigger jets and just screw the old ones out and screw the new ones in? Do you screw them all the way in snug? How much bigger?1 or 2 thousands??
 

schematic

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Re: drill jets?

Did you remove and clean behind the top welch plug? Crap could be floating around in there causing intermittent blockage....
 

Faztbullet

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Re: drill jets?

You want to go smaller not larger to richen it up....that is a air bleed jet.
 

yoggii

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Re: drill jets?

I figured you go bigger because i was told to drill the low speed jets out.to stop the bogging..
 

Joe Reeves

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I figured you go bigger because i was told to drill the low speed jets out.to stop the bogging..

You figured correctly. The slow speed jets on that 1973 65hp model meter fuel, not air, so to richen the fuel flow, the inside diameter would need to be larger. Also the jets (any fixed jet) needs to be seated tight, otherwise there would be leakage around the outside diameter of it which would be defeating the purpose of the jet.

You state in your first post "After cleaning and rebuilding carbs on 1973 65 hp johnson,it still stalls sometimes at throttle up."

If a engine is running slightly lean, normally it will have a habit of spitting back, sort of a hiccup, a hesitation for a fraction of a second that sounds like one of the carburetors has something being fired out the front of it. This may ocurr quite a few times before the engine actually stops. Is this what you're experiencing, and if not, describe exactly what is happening. Possibly, at an idle, the engine simply slows down and stops?

Regardless of the problem, we need to know if you have the proper compression and ignition/spark to begin with. What are the psi compression readings of each individual cylinder?

The spark plugs should be Champion QL77JC4 plugs gapped at either the original recommended gap of .040 or the revised 1990s recommended gap of .030 . One gap or the other may provide improved performance. What plug are you using... and do they all look alike after running? If different in appearance... describe.

With the spark plugs removed, the spark should jump a 7/16" gap on that model with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP! Does it? If not, what do you have? NOTE... the 7/16" gap is important... checking spark by using the spark plugs is a waste of time!

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

You can use a medium size philips screwdriver inserted into the spark plug boot spring connector, then hold the screwdriver shank approximately 7/16" away from the block to check the spark or build the following:

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:


..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

If all is as it should be (compression/spark), you can determine which carburetor ,ight be at fault by having the engine running with the carburetor face plate removed.... then insert two (2) fingers into a carburetor throat, acting as a manual choke of sorts. When you come across the carburetor whereas that procedure results in having the engine smooth out somewhat, you've found the offending carburetor.

Let us know what you find, especially with the compression and spark test.
 

yoggii

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Re: drill jets?

Thanks for all that information,I took it to someone that had worked at a dealership for almost 40 years,because I knew and trusted him,He assured me and I have paperwork that the spark and compression is good.He cleaned and rebuilt all three carbs.( $600.00) and it runs much better!! But occationally you start to take off and when you give it gas it slowly boggs down.No skipping or spitting or backfire.And the next time or 3 times it might take off perfect.And always takes off perfect the first time.I will check plug gap and whichever it is i will change it to the other and try that..Thanks again !
 

ADK_Boater

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Re: drill jets?

$600...HS!!!
I'm in the process of doing a carb rebuild myself and have come to to realize that carbs are not that complicated.
If you run into a snag then just ask the guys here, we are always happy to help.

Yes, it is intimidating if you have never worked on them before
But once you open them up and see how they work, and with a little shared knowledge you will be be victorious.
In fact I have question to ask in a thread of my own...and I know that the good people here will help.

Watch a video or two about carburetor theory on youtube, that will help.

Remember to pay it forward!

You may even save yourself $600
 

yoggii

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Re: drill jets?

ok,I have tried everything i been told to try,had carbs cleaned and rebuilt by professionals,link and sink,new spark plugs gaped at 40 and 30,advanced throttle roller a little,new gas lines and went fishing yesterday ,boat did great every time I took off untill I started to load on trailer,had to choke it to get it on the trailer..Any other ideas??
 
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