Driving on frozen lakes

bowman316

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Anyone ever drive on a frozen lake? We were going past lake Pontoosuc lake is pittsfield, MA today, and saw someone out there driving on it.

You think anyone can do that, or do you need a special permit? They probally just drive down the boat ramp.

It has been around 20 degrees here for the high for weeks, so i guess the ice is a few feel thick by now.
 

RotaryRacer

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Re: Driving on frozen lakes

Anyone ever drive on a frozen lake? We were going past lake Pontoosuc lake is pittsfield, MA today, and saw someone out there driving on it.

You think anyone can do that, or do you need a special permit? They probally just drive down the boat ramp.

It has been around 20 degrees here for the high for weeks, so i guess the ice is a few feel thick by now.

Yup. I've raced on a frozen lake actuallly.

http://www.michiganiceracingassociation.com/html/index.php

The strangest part is that if you are standing on the ice a vehicle drives by you can actually feel the "wave" as the ice flexes.

It takes several weeks to get sufficient ice even at 20 degrees...at that I would be surprised if you have more than a foot of ice. Don't drive on it if there is anything less than a foot.

In many parts of the country there are "ice roads" in the winter that allow people to get from place to place using a frozen lake.
 

bowman316

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Re: Driving on frozen lakes

we don't live is MA, We live in MD, but we are up here on a ski trip. I'm sure it has been that cold here for a good month.
 

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Did it today. Don't guess about the ice. Check it out carefully. You also may want to learn about the local currents and springs.
Be careful, your insurance company may take a dim view of any claims that arise out there.
 

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My advice is if you don't know the lake and area, don't drive on it. There are lakes here that get enough ice to drive on, however every year people end breaking through the ice driving snowmobiles, atvs and cars. There are often river channels, natural springs etc... and if you don't know where they are you are taking a risk going for a dip.
 

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The rule of thumb is you need one foot of ice minimum to drive a motor vehicle on the ice. Here in Minnesota lakes have small cities consisting of shelters for fishing through the ice and those shelters are towed onto the ice with pickups, atv's cars, and snowmobiles. The issue with driving on any frozen body of water is knowing where the springs and currents are as thats where the ice will be unsafe as moving water tends to stay very thin. Also understand that a school of fish can take out a great deal of ice in a very short time so just because it's safe one day, does not mean it's safe the next. You drive with the door propped open and the window down. If you do go through you will have very little time to get out. And should you go through, the vehicle is considered a hazard to navigation and a pollution hazard so the DNR will insist you remove it immediately. Obviously not a simple task because in a matter of hours it can be frozen solidly into the ice sheet. That then requires chain saws. Unless you know the lake and know it well, stay off. I carry a pair of ice picks (a one-inch diameter dowel about a foot long with a sharpened spike in one end). The two picks are tied together with length of nylon cord about three feet long and draped around your neck and down your chest. If you fall through the ice, the picks will provide the grip you need to pull yourself back onto the ice. Always carry a long length of rope and if a buddy is with you, stay separated by 10 - 15 yards so if one goes though, the other can help. If you don't have ice experience, don't learn the hard way -- go with someone who knows what they are doing. Your life depends on it.
 

bowman316

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Re: Driving on frozen lakes

but do most lakes let anyone drive on it, or do you need to apply for a permit to put on your vehicle, so they know you know what you are doing?
 

marlboro180

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Re: Driving on frozen lakes

If you do not know what you are doing, than how would they? ;)
No permit required around here in WI.
 

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Years ago when I lived on a lake that froze solid enough to drive on we wouldn't drive a truck out on the ice till we measured about 18" of ice.
I don't recall any special permits but most that were on the ice had fishing huts there and held fishing licenses.
I do recall hearing stories of people driving out and falling in but only saw one Jeep go partially through the ice, only to have that section of ice later break away and float out to deeper water. They tried to push the whole ice float to shallow water but the Jeep fell in in the process. That was in March when the lake had already begun to thaw. Every year there was someone that would take a chance and fall in or at least get a good scare. The last time I was up that way, the lake hadn't even frozen over well enough to walk on, it seems every year it freezes less and less, with only few good cold winters here and there when the lake freezes up. I remember a few years in recent past when I was up there when the lake never froze over at all.

The few times I drove out on the lake, I always had the basic thought in mind of not being the largest vehicle out there. You don't want to be the one testing the ice the hard way. I also tended to follow along where larger vehicles had been already. Just driving around blindly on an unknown lake is just looking for trouble.
I was always amazed at the size of some of the vehicles that I saw on the ice, I even watched a fire truck out on the ice one day putting out a burning fishing shack. There were rumors that a fire truck had fallen through the ice years ago but I never knew if that was truth or just hearsay.
 

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I grew up in northern MI, and they would bring in a large front end loader to clear the snow off the ice and pile it in a large ring. Then they would flood the center to make it nice and smooth. All that for a demolition derby, so maybe 6-8 cars/tow trucks with hundreds of people all in the same area. They did it every year, so I guess nobody fell through. Check out this link for another ice festival
http://forums.jpmagazine.com/70/806...ils-and-round-lake-tip-up-festival/index.html
And as far as I know MI does not require a permit to drive on the ice.
 

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I've run snowmobiles on lake ice. It's no big deal until you hit a slushy spot!

Check this out. It's in the NY Finger lake region. They RACE CARS on ice.
http://www.cnyira.com/
Looks like they've got a race coming up on Jan 17/18! :D
 

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In northern Canada, heavy equipment and tractor-trailer rigs commonly run on ice roads across lakes. They also frequently fall through. Cracks and ridges form, and ice can become thin and weak even over deep water. Slush on top of the ice sometimes serves as a warning. At all times, be ready to jump.

A fellow by the name of Svein Sigfusson wrote a book (Sigfusson's Roads) about his experiences freighting on winter roads in the north. He claimed that he and his crew could recover a sunken Caterpillar crawler from 100 feet of water and have it back on top of the ice running within a few hours of it going down. If I remember correctly, they would hook the Cat with a grapple and then pull it up with a tripod and block and tackle.
 

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Did it today. Don't guess about the ice. Check it out carefully. You also may want to learn about the local currents and springs.
Be careful, your insurance company may take a dim view of any claims that arise out there.

Your insurance is only valid when driving on designated roadways. Once you go off road or onto the ice, your on your own in their eyes.
 

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The National Park Service plows an ice road on Rainy Lake in Voyageurs National Park every year. It starts at the Rainy Lake Visitor Center boat ramp and can be anything from 2 miles to almost 8 miles long, depending on ice conditions. Rangers measure the ice for several weeks before the plowing begins. So fat this year, plowing hasn't started, but should in the next week or so. No cost for using the road, just stay within the speed limit and the markers and it is a great trip. Road goes over channels with more than 100 feet of water under the ice.
We drive out and then ski, snowshoe or hike to the islands we acces via boat, letting the dogs run all they want on the ice. I'll try to post some photos from the past few years in the next couple of days.

Want to drive on a lake? Come on up!!!!
 

ifallsguy

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Your insurance is only valid when driving on designated roadways. Once you go off road or onto the ice, your on your own in their eyes.



As for driving on designated roads, the NPS ice road at Voyaguers is marked and plowed by the Park Service. It also is printed on their park maps (winter only). My insurance agent is aware I drive it. His only comment was make sure I use the signs posted by NPS whether it is open or closed.
 

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Re: Driving on frozen lakes

I live in MA and you dont need any permit to drive on the lakes or ponds, and in pittsfield they have the best lakes and ponds to drive on cause its the berkshires for a reason its always cold and always snowing. Just hope your truck or car dosnt fall threw or mass wildlife gets alot of money your insurance dosnt cover.
 

bowman316

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it really is always snowing here. We have been here since sat, and it has snowed every day. most days it is just flurries. Sometimes the snow is not even on the radar, but it is still snowing.
 

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If you want to see what its all about watch a few episodes of ice road truckers, they run lakes in the NWT of canada around Yellowknife to the diamond mines, as well as Mackenzie river to the Beufort sea. lots of oil /gas exploration.
 

bowman316

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yea, i watch that show a lot. but i don't think just anyone can drive on that ice road.
 
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