dulcimer building

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thinkin' seriously about making a mountain dulcimer.. probalby from a kit.. <br />anyone done that before..?? anyone play..??
 

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Hey if anyone has the talent...you do. Go for it.
 

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What's a dulcimer building???? :p
 

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Probably the best first instrument to make, Crabby... Go for it!...<br /><br />I've made, modified, and repaired a few guitars.. Some time back I bought a set of plans for building an archtop, but never got around to starting the project..<br /><br />IMHO, fret work is the hardest part, with reguards to guitars.. Getting the frets leveled and crowned "just so", getting the string action "just so"... Everything is paper thin clerances.. It can be very teadious.. Filing the slots on nuts too... <br /><br /> http://www.stewmac.com/ is a good source for everything you'd need...
 

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thamks BOB & fellas.. thinkin' on a www.stewmac.com hourglass soild walnut model.. take a looky-look.. sure is pretty<br /><br />web-read alot an people like 'um.. it's an 1 1/2 inch wide body.. an has a more traditional sound ..banjo-like..<br /><br />what's nice about this kit,, the frets are already installed..
 

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Hello Crabby. I made one for my mother a few years ago. The fretts were a pain in the <br />azz. The stupid intructions said to put them in first and then go back and file each sides of each frett flush with neck (as they were oversized in length). If I had to do it again I would have machined or ground them to lenght first. Other than that it was a breaze with exception of sanding down the top and bottom decks flush to the sides. All the finish called for was 2-3 coats of tonge oil, sand with 00 steel wool, then apply and polish with beeze wax. The finish was unbelievable! The neck,back and sides were walnut and the top mayple. Easy to re-apply in a few years to keep it new looking and protected. Another thing to note is the fret board must have a crown on the fret side. If is not crowned in the correct condition send it back for replacement. Because my mother had it sent to me from the manuf. and I didnt open the box nor read the intructions until almost a year, I learned that mine was either wrong before or after shipment. Too late to return, so I had to sand a convex to the opposite side to achieve a proper crown when pressed to a flat table or the body of the instument. Follow the instructions (with exception to the fretts as I explained) to the T. Otherwise you may end up with only a beautiful wall hanging. Good luck.<br /><br />PS- I looked at the web site. Are buying a kit that you have to bend the sides?....The kit I used was a violin looking type with the sides already being bent before shipment. I dont play the dulcemer but I like the sound. I play a guitar and a quatro ( 4-string guitar) and I sign some too. Love Bluegrass and Bill Monroes "Blue Moon of Kentucky".<br /><br />Boomer- A dulcemer is a folk instrument used in folk and mountain music. looks similar to a violin and played lying across ones lap similar to a steel guitar. Other than a single reference in the bible ( I think I read that somewhere ) noone knows where it originated other that the appalachian peoples of North America. It was an inexpensive means for poor people to aquire. It is also easyer to make by hand than a 6 string guitar.
 

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thanks ODDY,,pretty neet info..<br /><br />how'd it sound when done..??.!!<br /><br /> everthing i read,, a good one is ALL walnut 'cept for the top.. an the expensive one's are spruce,western red cedar, cherry,maple.. hardly any have a walnut top as per mine.. i wonder why..??<br /><br /> an like i said ,, all other parts are walnut ,exclusively.. maybe it's for contrast..?? if so,, an not for good sound,, i prefer the uniformed dark color,, all walnut look..<br /><br />was your fret board pre-cut/sawed-in an to depth.. ?? <br /><br />your finish sound great.. my plan exactly.. 'cept for the bee's wax part.. which sounds good an probably will do myself..<br /><br />what,,?? the wax seals an protects it an shines..??<br /><br />read that shellac an varnish is not the way to go.. it's a hard finish an show's mi-nute scatches an impecfections an takes away from good sound.. <br /><br /><br />don't really follow the 'crown sanding' you did.. but it sounds like a sob-o-job..!!<br /><br />pity you,,!! you have my luck with stuff exactly.. :)
 

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saw your PS..<br /><br />it comes with pre-bent sides.. an frets installed..<br /><br /><br />rememeber what kit was your's..??
 

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It sounded great and my mother loves it. She has another one, all walnut like the one you favor about 20 years old someone made for her with the curl-neck style. The different woods are definately going to change the sound somewhat, but not in a negative way. Every wood or stringed intrument will have a distint sound of its own and it will always mellow with age if maintained properly. I like it so much I told her I wanted to keep it myself, so she gave me her old one to make me happy. When she came back to visit this summer asked for it back because she loves the sound of it better. She said that she still likes the sound of the one I made, but I think the sound is not as deep as the older one. The older one does not have nearly as good (frett to string) action as the newer one I made ( my opinion), but she likes the sound better for certain songs. <br /><br />Yes the fretboard and fret grooves (and depth) was completely cut.<br /><br />Yes the beeze wax protects and shine. So does the tonge oil to a degree but the wax just blows it away....I refinished a Ovation guitar about 20 years ago and I could never achieve the factory finish...I would come so close but always have a few bubbles here and there otherwise it was beautiful. So having alot of time on my hands and alot of determination I re-sanded and re-appied the clear polyeurethanded(sp) at least 5 times with more and more bubbles each time. <br /><br />Now I have a few antiques that I plan on strip- wash and redo the same way as the dulcemer. no more with the clear coats of anything. <br /><br />The top side of the fret board should be slightly convex or bowed/curved up in the center. If it is bowed in the other direction (concave) then the action of the strings will be fuzzy/buzzy poor if you can stike at note at all. The instructions will go into graeter detail. Remember, strings are going to pull accross this board. Idealy, you want it to be minutetly convex across the top same as a guitar. If it goes concave, the action goes from bad to worse depending how bad it is. Dont worry. It its too convex, its as easy fix by sanding the frets down a little when you do the finishing touches before stringing.<br /><br />It wasnt really that hard but I was under alot of stress to complete something I promised and it not become a wall hanging. <br /><br />I dont remenber what the kit name was but I'll get it from momma and pass it to you asap.( day or two)
 

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thanks again ODDY for the detailed responds.. an every question answered.. ( that's gotta be an iboat first :) )<br /><br />musta been wonderful to build it a hafta re-work it an come out GREAT..!! that's a beautiful thing, for sure.. musta been a great feelin'.. <br /><br />yeah,, all i read say they get better with age.. pretty neet..<br /><br />is the old dulcimer have a deeper sound box as in height-wise ..?? say 2 1/4 opposed to 1 1/2 on the new one..??<br /><br /> VERY curious on this question here..!! <br /><br />an is this 'BEEZE WAX' an particular brand..?? or is it say honey bee's wax..??<br /><br />thanks again for your time an patience with me..
 

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Hey Crab bait,<br /><br />Momma says that the one I made is a bit bigger. Longer I think. Sounds great. Just a bit different is all. As far as your question to the body size, the more volume of the body the more sound amplification. So bigger means louder as a general rule with a few possible variables like the wood, style, sound holes, etc. <br /><br />The beeze wax recommended was the Minwax brand. Its a paste that you rub in then polish. Feels like shoe polish. The more you rub in to the pores of the wood the better the seal and resistance to water. And the better the shine. Like spit shining a shoe. <br /><br /> I suspect you could make your own wax if you have the means. Probably find a recipe on the net.<br /><br />Heres the co. we used:<br /><br />Mc'Spadden Mountain Dulcimer<br />P.O. Box 1230<br />Hwy. 9 <br />North Mountain View,Arkansas, 72560<br /><br />879-269-4313<br />Fax 870-269-5283 web page <br /><br />The one I finished is the spruce top ( mid left on web page)<br /><br />edit add-quote: An all Walnut or all Cherry dulcimer will have a rich look and sound. Substituting a Spruce top will give a little bit louder and brighter sound.
 

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much thanks again an a big help.. <br /><br />yeah those mcspadden's are top-o-line instruments for sure.. it's a toss-up between them an the 'stew-mac'.. <br /><br />yeah,, the stew-mac is an 1 1/2 in sound box an has a more primitive old school banjo sound.. which i lean to.. <br /><br />ALTHO,,deep & rich is cool ,too..!!<br /><br />yeah, i'm excited to say the least..<br /><br />i've been web-readin' all i can.. one site was pretty neet..<br /><br /> said you should always match your dulcimer to your voice.. then goes on to say,,,,,, so you say you don't sing.......<br /><br /> doesn't matter if'n you don't sing an never have any intensions of singing.. it's still holds true to your 'inner' singing' voice.. <br /><br />WELL,, I'M DEFINATELY A TWANGY BANJO , for sure.. :) ..<br /><br />spruce top is top-toted for sure on very high $$$ dulcimers.. <br /> <br /><br />just a few more questions.. <br /><br />was there a reason you chose spruce at the time..??<br /><br />an was the sound holes a scary job..??<br /><br /> what did you cut/shape/make them with..??<br /><br />what was your shape choice..?? an did you get different sound hole options..??<br /><br />thanks once again..!!
 

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was there a reason you chose spruce at the time..??<br /><br /> No reason, momma picked it out. I think it was just the look of it. <br /><br />an was the sound holes a scary job..??<br /><br /> The holes were also pre-cut. <br /><br />what did you cut/shape/make them with..??<br /><br /> It appears that they punched them out with a hot cookie cutter, but im not sure. <br /><br />what was your shape choice..?? an did you get different sound hole options..??<br /><br /> Hearts, but I'm sure you could do it yourself by drawing what you want(dont press to hard) lightly then use a carvers chisil set or a 1/4" chisel and cut a little at a time to rough it and then sand smooth. Sand a nice radius along the edge. <br /><br /><br />thanks once again..!!<br /><br /> My pleasure , I cant wait to see what you come up with. :)
 
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